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Old 09-28-2011, 01:26 PM   #51
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

is this standard or too thin? no reads


PokerStars - $2.28+$0.22|300/600 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG+1: 6,140.00
MP: 5,274.00
CO: 3,970.00
Hero (BTN): 7,720.00
SB: 9,411.00
BB: 13,135.00
UTG: 6,865.00

UTG+1 posts ante 50.00, MP posts ante 50.00, CO posts ante 50.00, Hero posts ante 50.00, SB posts ante 50.00, BB posts ante 50.00, UTG posts ante 50.00, SB posts SB 300.00, BB posts BB 600.00

Pre Flop: (1250.00) Hero has 7 8

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 7,670.00 and is all-in, SB calls 7,370.00, fold

Flop: (16290.00, 2 players) 9 T 5

Turn: (16290.00, 2 players) 3

River: (16290.00, 2 players) K
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Old 09-28-2011, 06:28 PM   #52
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

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is this standard or too thin? no reads


PokerStars - $2.28+$0.22|300/600 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG+1: 6,140.00
MP: 5,274.00
CO: 3,970.00
Hero (BTN): 7,720.00
SB: 9,411.00
BB: 13,135.00
UTG: 6,865.00

UTG+1 posts ante 50.00, MP posts ante 50.00, CO posts ante 50.00, Hero posts ante 50.00, SB posts ante 50.00, BB posts ante 50.00, UTG posts ante 50.00, SB posts SB 300.00, BB posts BB 600.00

Pre Flop: (1250.00) Hero has 7 8

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 7,670.00 and is all-in, SB calls 7,370.00, fold

Flop: (16290.00, 2 players) 9 T 5

Turn: (16290.00, 2 players) 3

River: (16290.00, 2 players) K
Fine.. If they are both really passive/nitty you can minraise/fold
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Old 09-28-2011, 06:30 PM   #53
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

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1. 3r 180, abt 30ppl left.

    Poker Stars, $3.19 Buy-in (1,000/2,000 blinds, 200 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10728722

    MP1: 47,450 (23.7 bb)
    MP2: 36,913 (18.5 bb)
    MP3: 18,806 (9.4 bb)
    CO: 12,330 (6.2 bb)
    Hero (BTN): 17,188 (8.6 bb)
    SB: 32,824 (16.4 bb)
    BB: 29,618 (14.8 bb)
    UTG+2: 16,482 (8.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with 2 7
    5 folds, Hero raises to 16,988 and is all-in, SB folds, BB calls 14,988

    Flop: (36,576) K 6 T (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    Turn: (36,576) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: (36,576) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)




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    2. Far from the money in 3r 180man. Villain is a reg and I put him on 90-100% range.


      Poker Stars, $3.19 Buy-in (300/600 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10728732

      MP3: 4,973 (8.3 bb)
      CO: 10,050 (16.8 bb)
      BTN: 4,276 (7.1 bb)
      SB: 19,103 (31.8 bb)
      Hero (BB): 8,996 (15 bb)
      UTG+2: 18,604 (31 bb)
      MP1: 8,720 (14.5 bb)
      MP2: 11,290 (18.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with J 4
      5 folds, BTN raises to 4,226 and is all-in, SB folds, Hero calls 3,626

      Flop: (9,152) 6 T 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      Turn: (9,152) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      River: (9,152) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)




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      What do u guys think?
      First is defintely fine unless either of them are good regs who know you are
      Second is closer, with reads it's probably a sigh/call.. although calling does affect your fold equity when you lose, which kind of sucks.
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      Old 09-30-2011, 11:13 AM   #54
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      Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

      2nd one is prob a fold
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      Old 10-01-2011, 04:28 AM   #55
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      Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

      If you've called this wide before he's probably not jamming 100% anymore against you.

      I don't like it.
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      Old 10-01-2011, 08:39 AM   #56
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      Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

      both are folds.. specially the second..
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      Old 10-02-2011, 03:30 AM   #57
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      Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

      Hey just wondering If Iplayed my mid pair/flush draw too weakly
      Early micro 0.5$ 45man.
      Only recently swapped from iPoker HUSNG to stars MTT so would appreciate any help.



        Poker Stars, $0.45 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10742622

        Hero (MP3): 1,500 (75 bb)
        CO: 1,490 (74.5 bb)
        BTN: 2,180 (109 bb)
        SB: 1,220 (61 bb)
        BB: 1,500 (75 bb)
        UTG+2: 1,500 (75 bb)
        MP1: 1,180 (59 bb)
        MP2: 2,930 (146.5 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T 9
        UTG+2 calls 20, MP1 raises to 40, MP2 folds, Hero calls 40, CO calls 40, BTN folds, SB calls 30, BB calls 20, UTG+2 calls 20

        Flop: (240) T 3 K (6 players)
        SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 bets 40, MP1 calls 40, Hero raises to 160, 3 folds, UTG+2 calls 120, MP1 folds

        Turn: (600) Q (2 players)
        UTG+2 checks, Hero checks

        River: (600) T (2 players)
        UTG+2 checks, Hero bets 408, UTG+2 folds

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        Old 10-02-2011, 09:58 AM   #58
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        Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

        2/180, exact bubble with 19 left. BB was a 30/20 type who is definitely capable of 3bet shoving if i choose to 2.5x or something. especially given the stack sizes and bubble factor. Given reads, is shipping 18bb here OK?

        PokerStars - $2.28+$0.22|500/1000 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 6 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

        Hero (SB): 17,945.00
        BB: 43,187.00
        UTG: 19,133.00
        MP: 11,602.00
        CO: 4,180.00
        BTN: 15,415.00

        Hero posts ante 100.00, BB posts ante 100.00, UTG posts ante 100.00, MP posts ante 100.00, CO posts ante 100.00, BTN posts ante 100.00, Hero posts SB 500.00, BB posts BB 1,000.00

        Pre Flop: (2100.00) Hero has J Q

        fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 17,845.00 and is all-in
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        Old 10-02-2011, 04:29 PM   #59
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        Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

        Mango, yours look ok although I just call flop usually.

        Ali your hand is fine/pretty standard, if you have reads that he is snapping you really wide then bubble could mean it's a "close" fold (or raise/fold, I doubt most people are capable of reshipping too wide here, even a reg like you say). Ignoring the bubble it's going to be more +EV vs. a lot of people to just open here, rather than to shove which is definitely +EV too
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        Old 10-02-2011, 10:39 PM   #60
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        Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

        ICM Spot in $5.50 30 man Turbo on Ongame.

        Blinds increase every 3 minutes and are going up within 30 seconds.

        Payout is:

        1.) $54
        2.) $34.50
        3.) $24.75
        4.) $17.25
        5.) $12
        6.) $7.50

        We are in the money.

        Unfortunately hand converter doesn't like ongame hand histories.

        ***** Hand History for Game 518013690152 ***** (On Game)
        Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, October 01, 02:58:24 ET 2011
        Table Table 2 180136901 (Real Money)
        Seat 4 is the button
        Seat 1: kaspik4 ( $7160.00 USD )
        Seat 4: ron_speirs ( $24290.00 USD )
        Seat 7: A_smed ( $2260.00 USD )
        Seat 8: zeddzul ( $11290.00 USD )
        A_smed posts ante of [$200.00 USD].
        zeddzul posts ante of [$200.00 USD].
        kaspik4 posts ante of [$200.00 USD].
        ron_speirs posts ante of [$200.00 USD].
        A_smed posts small blind [$1000.00 USD].
        zeddzul posts big blind [$2000.00 USD].
        ** Dealing down cards **
        Dealt to zeddzul [ 5d Ac ]
        kaspik4 folds
        ron_speirs raises [$24090.00 USD]
        A_smed folds
        zeddzul calls [$9090.00 USD]

        Is this a fold for ICM reasons? Villain is one of the better regs in the game. Runs 20/16 with a 64% steal percentage. I think we can safely assume here that his range is 80% or wider.

        Hero is BB (zeddzul)
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        Old 10-04-2011, 04:44 AM   #61
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        Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

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        Mango, yours look ok although I just call flop usually.

        Ali your hand is fine/pretty standard, if you have reads that he is snapping you really wide then bubble could mean it's a "close" fold (or raise/fold, I doubt most people are capable of reshipping too wide here, even a reg like you say). Ignoring the bubble it's going to be more +EV vs. a lot of people to just open here, rather than to shove which is definitely +EV too
        Ty! I'm really working hard on being more aggressive in BvB or CO/BTN opening situations... just want to make sure I'm not stepping over the line.
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        Old 10-04-2011, 10:40 AM   #62
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        Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

        OmgClayDol, Hey just checking up on a few things about the Final table and ICM that I don't think u mentioned in the top 0.56% (which btw is very nicely done and in depth )

        Im playing turbo 45mans atm at the 1.5$ level, so not many 'regs' play at these small stakes i think

        Payouts are:
        1st: 19$
        2nd:13.15$
        3rd: 10.09$
        4th: 7.65$

        I noticed the jump from 2nd to 1st is even bigger than 4th to 2nd so considering this...

        Im wondering if in the final 4. folded to on the SB, you should Jam any two if everyone on the table has about 10BBish including Hero.

        Also would this change if one stack is about 5ish BB deep and the rest are still 10BB



        And does anything change going to 3 handed, 10 BB everyone, folded to on the SB.

        and then to heads-up
        I used to play heaps of HUSNG Im wondering if nash equil / SAGE is effective to use here


        Thanks and soz for the long Question :P
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        Old 10-04-2011, 04:01 PM   #63
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        Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

        180s. Is this a shove normally?

          Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (150/300 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10757062

          MP2: 4,029 (13.4 bb)
          MP3: 4,365 (14.6 bb)
          CO: 2,595 (8.7 bb)
          BTN: 3,236 (10.8 bb)
          SB: 3,260 (10.9 bb)
          BB: 2,935 (9.8 bb)
          UTG+1: 2,580 (8.6 bb)
          UTG+2: 7,948 (26.5 bb)
          Hero (MP1): 3,335 (11.1 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 7 A
          2 folds, Hero raises to 3,310 and is all-in, 2 folds, CO calls 2,570 and is all-in, 3 folds

          Flop: (5,815) K 2 Q (2 players, 2 are all-in)
          Turn: (5,815) A (2 players, 2 are all-in)
          River: (5,815) J (2 players, 2 are all-in)




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          Old 10-04-2011, 05:03 PM   #64
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          180s. Is this a shove normally?

            Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (150/300 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10757062

            MP2: 4,029 (13.4 bb)
            MP3: 4,365 (14.6 bb)
            CO: 2,595 (8.7 bb)
            BTN: 3,236 (10.8 bb)
            SB: 3,260 (10.9 bb)
            BB: 2,935 (9.8 bb)
            UTG+1: 2,580 (8.6 bb)
            UTG+2: 7,948 (26.5 bb)
            Hero (MP1): 3,335 (11.1 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 7 A
            2 folds, Hero raises to 3,310 and is all-in, 2 folds, CO calls 2,570 and is all-in, 3 folds

            Flop: (5,815) K 2 Q (2 players, 2 are all-in)
            Turn: (5,815) A (2 players, 2 are all-in)
            River: (5,815) J (2 players, 2 are all-in)




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            Yeah usually this is a shove, get SNG wiz if you don't have it and play around with it for these kind of spots.
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            Old 10-04-2011, 05:09 PM   #65
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            Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

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            OmgClayDol, Hey just checking up on a few things about the Final table and ICM that I don't think u mentioned in the top 0.56% (which btw is very nicely done and in depth )

            Im playing turbo 45mans atm at the 1.5$ level, so not many 'regs' play at these small stakes i think

            Payouts are:
            1st: 19$
            2nd:13.15$
            3rd: 10.09$
            4th: 7.65$

            I noticed the jump from 2nd to 1st is even bigger than 4th to 2nd so considering this...

            Im wondering if in the final 4. folded to on the SB, you should Jam any two if everyone on the table has about 10BBish including Hero.

            Also would this change if one stack is about 5ish BB deep and the rest are still 10BB



            And does anything change going to 3 handed, 10 BB everyone, folded to on the SB.

            and then to heads-up
            I used to play heaps of HUSNG Im wondering if nash equil / SAGE is effective to use here


            Thanks and soz for the long Question :P
            Not an ICM expert especially for 45 structure so maybe others could help you more with such a question. Basically also going to recommend you get SNG Wiz (they have a free trial for 30 days) and the investment will definitely be worth it in the long run if you use it correctly
            For the ATC question, vs. many people; no. It really depends entirely on the villains calling range, sometimes in spots where they SHOULD be calling really tight because of the pay jumps and ICM, they won't - because they simply don't know better. Therefore the best range for us to shove is going to depend completely on villain's calling range, and you'll have to use SNG wiz to see what range to shove vs. different calling ranges. - Don't just estimate a calling range in a spot and see what to shove vs. that, change that calling range and see how it affects our shoving range!

            If one stack is 5BB deep then ICM implications become heavier, so in theory the other guy SHOULD be calling even tighter, that being said it's the same answer as above. If villain is bad/calling too wide then shoving ATC is suicidal as when we get called and lose, we lose just as much equity as villain does when he calls and lose..

            3 handed does change because the payout structure is different, again no specific/general rules but SNG wiz will help if you play around with the ranges there.

            Heads up, those kind of strategies are maybe okay as defaults especially when you are kind of just learning or whatever but in the long run they are almost never going to the most profitable strategies. For example nash is only going to be the most +EV strategy if villain is also playing nash, which is rare. If they aren't then again SNG Wiz will be able to help you there
            Also, more than say 12 BBs or so, heads up you should be opening rather than just jam/fold vs. most villains anyway.

            Sorry for recommending Wiz that much but basically not much else will help for those specific type of situations and spots.
            Gl man
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            Old 10-05-2011, 04:00 AM   #66
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            Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

            Ty for response one more.
            Preantes, how many effective BB do u think approx will be profitable to shove A2-A6
            Also for post antes, do u think extending frmo 10Bb to 15BB with any ace on button is profitable?
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            Old 10-05-2011, 04:34 AM   #67
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            Depends on the position for the first, early I'd almost never shove Ace rag unless maybe I have like 3 BB or something

            Post antes, yes, unless maybe in final table spots then yes although sometimes just raising, especially vs. random/non regulars is often more profitable (and sometimes folding sometimes calling depending who reshoves, their stack size etc)
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            Old 10-05-2011, 06:48 PM   #68
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            Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

            Can you reach top1000 in the TLB by playing 45s? Does the stakes matter?
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            Old 10-06-2011, 02:06 PM   #69
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            [converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (800/1,600 blinds, 150 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players


            MP2: 23,391 (14.6 bb)
            MP3: 18,442 (11.5 bb)
            CO: 12,600 (7.9 bb)
            BTN: 31,112 (19.4 bb)
            SB: 27,090 (16.9 bb)
            BB: 18,016 (11.3 bb)
            Hero (MP1): 11,185 (7 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 5 K:diamond ?

            Btn is a breakeven reg over 2000 games. Rest are randoms. Can we fold and let the blinds pass us or should we take a shove to preserve more FE ?
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            Old 10-06-2011, 02:22 PM   #70
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            I shove here, we need a bigger stack quick and once the blinds hit anyone will call us. We still have a chance to fold out most people who don't want to risk >50% their stack with only 7 people left.
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            Old 10-06-2011, 03:53 PM   #71
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            $7 turbo MTT

            Poker Stars, $7 Buy-in (150/300 blinds, 40 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10771192

            MP3: 4,345 (14.5 bb)
            CO: 1,748 (5.8 bb)
            BTN: 3,512 (11.7 bb)
            SB: 1,566 (5.2 bb)
            BB: 3,155 (10.5 bb)
            UTG+1: 5,563 (18.5 bb)
            UTG+2: 7,080 (23.6 bb)
            Hero (MP1): 2,150 (7.2 bb)
            MP2: 340 (1.1 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q 3
            2 folds, Hero raises to 2,110 and is all-in
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            Old 10-08-2011, 04:40 AM   #72
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            Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

            NOTE $0.10 360 turbo MTTSNG

              Poker Stars, $0.09 Buy-in (2,500/5,000 blinds, 500 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 5 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10775332

              MP: 108,932 (21.8 bb)
              CO: 27,197 (5.4 bb)
              Hero (BTN): 45,355 (9.1 bb)
              SB: 33,575 (6.7 bb)
              BB: 5,526 (1.1 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q 9
              2 folds, Hero raises to 44,855 and is all-in, SB calls 30,575 and is all-in, BB folds

              Flop: (73,650) J 2 J (2 players, 2 are all-in)
              Turn: (73,650) 4 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
              River: (73,650) 5 (2 players, 2 are all-in)




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              11 players left. BB is guy who has been folding a lot of hands even if 1k chips left but managed to double up twice. SB plays tight. Standard push? or playing too loose?
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              Old 10-08-2011, 05:15 AM   #73
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              Omaha8grinding: Standard shove spot. Range should look something like 22+A2+K5+K2s+Q9+Q4s+J9+J6s+T9+98+T6s+96s+85s+75s+6 4s+54s
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              Old 10-08-2011, 10:27 AM   #74
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              $3r/180 FT

              if this is a fold what's your calling range?

              also, if it's a fold, would it be a call with 40 players left?


              Poker Stars, $3.19 Buy-in (6,000/12,000 blinds, 1,200 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10776672

              MP1: 89,834 (7.5 bb)
              MP2: 163,226 (13.6 bb)
              MP3: 116,047 (9.7 bb)
              CO: 85,818 (7.2 bb)
              BTN: 235,854 (19.7 bb)
              SB: 149,660 (12.5 bb)
              Hero (BB): 45,561 (3.8 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is BB with 2 9
              MP1 raises to 88,634 and is all-in, 5 folds, Hero calls 32,361 and is all-in
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              Old 10-08-2011, 01:26 PM   #75
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              Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

              ^
              fold, he shoves pretty tight here

              i call 66+,AJo+,ATs+,KQs+

              and this is still behind his range
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