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02-21-2014 , 07:44 AM
Fine so far, now we push. Have a massive hand and hopefully a decent amount of fold equity.
02-21-2014 , 11:31 PM
anything but jamming is bad.
02-24-2014 , 07:46 AM
lol jamming....

well there is a 20% gap in the CO pfr/vpip #'s. If you have no other information, it may be safe to assume villain is a fish. ie. calling when they shouldn't and also playing hands that they just want to see a flop with.

Putting a fish on a hand or range of hands is way more difficult that a reg or competent player. But a good place to start is Ax, suited atc. Any pair or A9+ they are prolly raising pre flop.

Safe to say odds are you have the best flush draw at the moment. But the value of your pair of 4's is near useless.

So what are your options? Fold - NO , JAM - NO,

Check, Call - is passive and you get no info from villain. But it is cheap and a good option if villain is an aggro monkey post flop.

Check Raise - Often a good option with a flush draw that is not the nut flush draw.

Raise, Call - Gettin check raised here and not hitting your flush when you call is dangerous

Raise, Fold - Is letting go of all your equity in the pot and is usually a bad idea unless you are sure your beat.

So I think

check raise > check call = raise call > check fold > raise fold >
02-24-2014 , 02:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matsuri
lol jamming....

well there is a 20% gap in the CO pfr/vpip #'s. If you have no other information, it may be safe to assume villain is a fish. ie. calling when they shouldn't and also playing hands that they just want to see a flop with.

Putting a fish on a hand or range of hands is way more difficult that a reg or competent player. But a good place to start is Ax, suited atc. Any pair or A9+ they are prolly raising pre flop.

Safe to say odds are you have the best flush draw at the moment. But the value of your pair of 4's is near useless.

So what are your options? Fold - NO , JAM - NO,

Check, Call - is passive and you get no info from villain. But it is cheap and a good option if villain is an aggro monkey post flop.

Check Raise - Often a good option with a flush draw that is not the nut flush draw.

Raise, Call - Gettin check raised here and not hitting your flush when you call is dangerous

Raise, Fold - Is letting go of all your equity in the pot and is usually a bad idea unless you are sure your beat.

So I think

check raise > check call = raise call > check fold > raise fold >
You do realize that check raise is basically the exact same answer as jamming. In his question he asked what action to take after the COs action (i.e. after hero has checked). CO bets 300 into a pot of 150. You only have 1,220 in front of you. Do you really think raising more than half your stack is any different to jamming?

Also the list you have of what action to take makes no sense. I'm assuming half the time you have written raise you mean bet.
02-24-2014 , 05:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fidstar-poker
You do realize that check raise is basically the exact same answer as jamming. In his question he asked what action to take after the COs action (i.e. after hero has checked). CO bets 300 into a pot of 150. You only have 1,220 in front of you. Do you really think raising more than half your stack is any different to jamming?

Also the list you have of what action to take makes no sense. I'm assuming half the time you have written raise you mean bet.
MY Bad , misread OP clueless to the fact the CO had bet ... doh!

OP disregard my andswer OBV
02-25-2014 , 05:35 PM
2.5 180p 15 players left. BTN is on the loser side.

PokerStars Hand #112403814493: Tournament #871811606, $2.28+$0.22 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (800/1600) - 2014/02/25 16:32:15 ET
Table '871811606 10' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: luckyone1958 (20873 in chips)
Seat 2: Hannibier (29216 in chips)
Seat 3: girafou (10220 in chips)
Seat 6: Lamako (39210 in chips)
Seat 7: desedded (7219 in chips)
Seat 8: hero (15404 in chips)
Seat 9: SY4kA161 (28430 in chips)
luckyone1958: posts the ante 150
Hannibier: posts the ante 150
girafou: posts the ante 150
Lamako: posts the ante 150
desedded: posts the ante 150
hero: posts the ante 150
SY4kA161: posts the ante 150
desedded: posts small blind 800
hero: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [:3c :As]
SY4kA161 said, "unrual"
SY4kA161: folds
luckyone1958: folds
Hannibier: folds
girafou: folds
Lamako: raises 37460 to 39060 and is all-in
desedded: folds
hero: calls 13654 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (23806) returned to Lamako
*** FLOP *** [Ac 3s 3h]
*** TURN *** [Ac 3s 3h] [Kc]
*** RIVER *** [Ac 3s 3h Kc] [9d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
hero: shows [3c As] (a full house, Threes full of Aces)
Lamako: shows [Jd Qs] (a pair of Threes)
hero collected 32358 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 32358 | Rake 0
Board [Ac 3s 3h Kc 9d]
Seat 1: luckyone1958 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Hannibier folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: girafou folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Lamako (button) showed [Jd Qs] and lost with a pair of Threes
Seat 7: desedded (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: hero (big blind) showed [3c As] and won (32358) with a full house, Threes full of Aces
Seat 9: SY4kA161 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
02-25-2014 , 06:01 PM
convert hand and give reads.
02-28-2014 , 12:47 AM
In a spot like this is it best to just shove ATC? both villains were nitting it up.

    Poker Stars, $0.50 Buy-in (3,500/7,000 blinds, 700 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 3 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #24163941

    SB: 46,312 (6.6 bb)
    BB: 54,944 (7.8 bb)
    Hero (BTN): 498,744 (71.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with 4 8
    Hero raises to 498,044 and is all-in, 2 folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: 19,600 pot
    Hero mucked 4 8 and won 19,600 (11,900 net)



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    02-28-2014 , 03:01 AM
    If they are nitting it up, it can't be bad, though folding the bottom 20% can't be terrible.
    03-06-2014 , 11:58 AM
    What do you do ? FT 180p $2.50

    Poker Stars $2.28+$0.22 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t1250/t2500 Blinds + t250 - 8 players
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    Hero (MP2): t42861 M = 7.45
    CO: t24792 M = 4.31
    BTN: t45245 M = 7.87
    SB: t36433 M = 6.34
    BB: t26062 M = 4.53
    UTG: t21986 M = 3.82
    UTG+1: t30497 M = 5.30
    MP1: t42124 M = 7.33

    Pre Flop: (t5750) Hero is MP2 with Q A
    UTG raises to t21736 all in, 2 folds, Hero raises to t42500, 4 folds

    Flop: (t49222) J 5 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

    Turn: (t49222) 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

    River: (t49222) 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)
    03-06-2014 , 01:01 PM
    Very standard push, nh.
    04-07-2014 , 07:11 AM
    FT of .5/90

    BB is a reg with very nitty stats, over a decent sample. Most likely aware of ICM or at least more prone to folding on FTs. The other three have reasonable stats, but with small sample sizes. Don't think they are regs, SB in particular had not yet shown that he was able to call light with his stack.

      Poker Stars, $0.45 Buy-in (600/1,200 blinds, 125 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      MP1: 5,914 (4.9 bb)
      MP2: 20,058 (16.7 bb)
      Hero (MP3): 20,161 (16.8 bb)
      CO: 46,511 (38.8 bb)
      BTN: 22,224 (18.5 bb)
      SB: 4,907 (4.1 bb)
      BB: 15,225 (12.7 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A 6
      2 folds, Hero ...
      04-07-2014 , 07:37 PM
      Min raise & fold to any shoves/3bets (apart from SB obv)
      04-08-2014 , 06:25 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Abe008
      Min raise & fold to any shoves/3bets (apart from SB obv)
      I agree
      our hand is too good to fold, but too bad to shove
      04-24-2014 , 02:14 AM
      Hey guys,
      Hope this is the right place to ask it-

      What will playing Nash (push fold equilibrium) heads up will do to a player win percentage heads up in an mttsng?
      I mean, if a player reaches the heads-up stage, will it be profitable for him to play Nash if he is, lets say, 50% of the times ends up first and 50% second?
      What if hes 55% ending up first and 45% second? will it still be profitable for him to switch to Nash?

      Thanks.
      04-24-2014 , 01:42 PM
      I'm a new player are these stats any good? (2.5$ 180 man turbos)

      Hands: 8121
      VPIP: 16.8
      PFR: 13.6
      PF3Bet: 7.5
      FoldPF3Bet: 81.6
      AF: 2.3
      CBetFlop: 63.6
      FCbetFlop: 60.2
      Steal: 32.8
      FSteal: 80.2
      04-24-2014 , 10:22 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by PizzaDT
      Hey guys,
      Hope this is the right place to ask it-

      What will playing Nash (push fold equilibrium) heads up will do to a player win percentage heads up in an mttsng?
      I mean, if a player reaches the heads-up stage, will it be profitable for him to play Nash if he is, lets say, 50% of the times ends up first and 50% second?
      What if hes 55% ending up first and 45% second? will it still be profitable for him to switch to Nash?

      Thanks.
      You can't go wrong using Nash when it gets to heads up, particularly if you play turbos where it is likely to be short-stacked.

      Whether or not to use Nash is more dependent on who you are playing against. If you are playing a good player, Nash is probably the way to go. If you are paying against a fish, then there will be better ways to exploit them than just using Nash.
      04-30-2014 , 10:01 AM
      As fidstar says,

      Nash is best used when playing vs a Nash player. It is equilibrium when you are both playing Nash. This is when you will get a 50 / 50 win ratio if everyone were to play Nash all the time.

      What Nash is useful for ,HU, is knowing when a villain deviates from Nash.
      If villain plays wider than Nash, you adjust to compensate.
      If villain plays looser than Nash, you adjust conversely to compensate.

      Knowing Nash allows you to play near perfect poker by having a baseline reference against which to measure the hands the villain shows down.
      The power of Nash is knowing by how much to deviate from Nash yourself vs your opponent.
      04-30-2014 , 08:31 PM
      Thanks for the comments.

      Was just wondering- what if I play nash HU all the time when blinds<20? Not dependent on the opponent.
      What will my winrate HU be?
      04-30-2014 , 08:47 PM
      ^^^ impossible question to answer. It depends on your opponent
      05-01-2014 , 05:53 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by PizzaDT
      Thanks for the comments.

      Was just wondering- what if I play nash HU all the time when blinds<20? Not dependent on the opponent.
      What will my winrate HU be?
      if your opponents are good enough that may not even be a winning strategy
      you keep making +EV moves, but you only win in poker when you make more +EV moves than your opponents
      so if your opponents make better EV moves, which shouldn't be too hard if you only use a shove/fold strategy, you might still end up being a losing player, although you only make +EV moves
      shoving isn't always the best move to make, even if it's +EV, just raising might offer higher EV
      05-19-2014 , 11:40 AM
      Can I set mine here or should I just push or fold?

        Poker Stars, $1.36 Buy-in (150/300 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #27037021

        SB: 5,504 (18.3 bb)
        BB: 3,245 (10.8 bb)
        UTG: 3,170 (10.6 bb)
        MP: 4,109 (13.7 bb)
        Hero (CO): 6,245 (20.8 bb)
        BTN: 1,830 (6.1 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is CO with 6 6
        UTG calls 300, MP folds, Hero calls 300, BTN folds, SB completes, BB checks

        Flop: (1,350) 8 2 6 (4 players)
        SB bets 5,179 and is all-in, BB calls 2,920 and is all-in, UTG calls 2,845 and is all-in, Hero calls 5,179




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        05-19-2014 , 11:45 AM
        Standard push given how tight the blinds are?

        Standard push even if they weren't?


          Poker Stars, $1.36 Buy-in (150/300 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #27037041

          MP1: 5,529 (18.4 bb)
          MP2: 3,270 (10.9 bb)
          MP3: 3,195 (10.7 bb)
          CO: 4,134 (13.8 bb)
          Hero (BTN): 3,160 (10.5 bb)
          SB: 2,660 (8.9 bb) (6/5 after 67 hands)
          BB: 2,155 (7.2 bb) (14/13 after 121 hands)

          Preflop: Hero is BTN with 6 Q
          4 folds, Hero raises to 3,135 and is all-in




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          05-19-2014 , 12:34 PM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by Hookt
          Can I set mine here or should I just push or fold?

            Poker Stars, $1.36 Buy-in (150/300 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #27037021

            SB: 5,504 (18.3 bb)
            BB: 3,245 (10.8 bb)
            UTG: 3,170 (10.6 bb)
            MP: 4,109 (13.7 bb)
            Hero (CO): 6,245 (20.8 bb)
            BTN: 1,830 (6.1 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is CO with 6 6
            UTG calls 300, MP folds, Hero calls 300, BTN folds, SB completes, BB checks

            Flop: (1,350) 8 2 6 (4 players)
            SB bets 5,179 and is all-in, BB calls 2,920 and is all-in, UTG calls 2,845 and is all-in, Hero calls 5,179




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            Quote:
            Originally Posted by Hookt
            Standard push given how tight the blinds are?

            Standard push even if they weren't?


              Poker Stars, $1.36 Buy-in (150/300 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #27037041

              MP1: 5,529 (18.4 bb)
              MP2: 3,270 (10.9 bb)
              MP3: 3,195 (10.7 bb)
              CO: 4,134 (13.8 bb)
              Hero (BTN): 3,160 (10.5 bb)
              SB: 2,660 (8.9 bb) (6/5 after 67 hands)
              BB: 2,155 (7.2 bb) (14/13 after 121 hands)

              Preflop: Hero is BTN with 6 Q
              4 folds, Hero raises to 3,135 and is all-in




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              05-23-2014 , 01:43 PM
              I have no idea what I'm doing. Right before the FT, I am 2/10 or so at this point. I tried to raise bigger pre but must have missclicked a min-raise. Should I just shove? On the flop I figure he's probably just bad and coming from a LHE background my brain sees donkbets as air most of the time. When he bets the turn I feel like I'm probably going to have to put my stack in at the river and there are too many cards I don't want to see, so I decide to just muck it. How much did I butcher it?



                Poker Stars, $1.36 Buy-in (300/600 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
                Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

                UTG+2: 6,400 (10.7 bb)
                MP1: 4,455 (7.4 bb)
                MP2: 11,385 (19 bb)
                MP3: 7,755 (12.9 bb)
                Hero (CO): 8,450 (14.1 bb)
                BTN: 8,257 (13.8 bb)
                SB: 8,256 (13.8 bb)
                BB: 6,337 (10.6 bb)
                UTG+1: 6,205 (10.3 bb)

                Preflop: Hero is CO with A K
                4 folds, MP3 raises to 1,200, Hero raises to 2,400, 3 folds, MP3 calls 1,200

                Flop: (6,150) 9 5 5 (2 players)
                MP3 bets 1,200, Hero calls 1,200

                Turn: (8,550) 6 (2 players)
                MP3 bets 1,800, Hero folds


                      
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