fold
fold
read dependent, but 90% of the time would be a fold.

I don't normally play SNGs but I was bored so I decided to jump into some 180 man turbos. I'm guessing this is probably pretty standard but I just wanted to check because I thought my stack might be slightly too big for reshoving to be correct.

Never folding without an insane read. Fist pumping that I have such a great hand to shove in such a +EV spot.

Should it be a c/f OTT?











I was really unsure what the best line was to take in this hand, all advice appreciated

Hand 1:
8s are a difficult hand to play OOP multi-way. I like the c-bet but after that just let it go, even when it's fishy like this. Pre ante tight is most definitely right.

Hand 2:
This is a fold pre. KJ, even suited, just does not play well enough to open from EP.

Majority of time I'd dump KJs in that position but I usually open up my range as the bubble approaches and players start to nit up - as was the case here. In this scenario should we still be folding pre 100% of the time?

There are no hard and fast rules, so if you thought that you had a read on the table that you could exploit them, far be it from me to criticize.

Most tables aren't exploitable enough for me to open KJ from EP here, bubble or no.

hey!

I'm new to 180 and starting to play 2.5

watching hh and seeing that many guys min-raise from utg, many do this in levels before antes.

are they ussualy just stealing and can eaay steal from them or they will call wide on my re-steal??
maybe re-steal from regs?

A m/r from UTG isn't really a steal, regardless of the hand. 3-betting an UTG raiser therefore isn't usually a resteal.

It's generally safe to assume that opening ranges are tighter from UTG and that you should consequently tighten your 3-betting range.

Like everything in poker, of course, this is read dependent.

Most regs aren't opening wide UTG.

I couldn't find the beginner's thread for mtt's (like there is for the stt and husng section), so I'm asking this question here. I have absolutely zero experience of a multi-table tournament, but I've won a seat into one which is coming up in about a week. During this time, I need to learn the fundamentals of mtt's. I have a DC subscription. Can anyone recommend a good video series to learn the basics of mtt's?? Or maybe a recommended book for learning mtt's??

QQ, would anyone be able to tell me what typical downswings in terms of buy-ins can someone expect to undergo playing $4.50 180s? (regular speed)

This isn't a MTTSNG, but it IS a turbo tournament on stars, and the question concerns shoving ranges, so I'll post it here. Villain is 19/5 over 15 hands





Poker Stars, $2.50 Buy-in (300/600 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #18155911

BTN: 3,475 (5.8 bb)
SB: 7,860 (13.1 bb)
BB: 5,410 (9 bb)
UTG+1: 12,790 (21.3 bb)
UTG+2: 8,745 (14.6 bb)
Hero (MP1): 11,738 (19.6 bb)
MP2: 3,865 (6.4 bb)
MP3: 10,797 (18 bb)
CO: 21,225 (35.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J K
UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls 600, Hero shoves or folds?

If the limper isn't there, how do you play it?

fold. jam a <13bb stack. although jamming 14bigs would show a tiny profit as well

r/c all <10bb stacks

20bb is to many to jam. I probably just fold.

Thanks

Hi guys.

Just some simple questions,

If there is a short stack on mine left, I would have to tighten my stealing range right? Because If I raise 2.2x and he goes all in with 10BB and I would have no choice but to call the AI?

Would you guys raise 2.2x with 13BB or open shove?


In the final table, there are almost 6 short stacks do I have to tighten my stealing range even more?

Depends on too many other factors than just stacksize.
Best is to search a handhistory which shows the exact situation you have in mind and just post it as a thread with the same questions.

Normally you don't ever want to fold after 2xing 13bb effective stacks.
And yes icm considerations are a huge factor on final tables if there are multiple shorties around.

Raise folding 13bb is absolutely fine.

Don't 2.2x though, there's really no reason to. Just m/r. That goes for almost all situations in MTTSNGs after t50.


Yes you should tighten your stealing range when there are stacks you'll be committed to calling behind. That should be part of your raise selection considerations.

Note that at 10bb you won't quite be getting 2-1. 9bb gives you about 2-1, where you'll need 33.3% hand equity to call off.

No, its not. If you do it regularly it clearly shows that you are putting in open-raises without thinking what to do if someone shoves. Its basically a lost pot without showdown for almost 20% of your stack you could have avoided.

For sure you can try to balance your monsters and some bluffs on a 10-15bb stacksize by 2xing if you know how to play momentum and if your opponents are clever enough to have reads on you what likely isn't the case in micro mtt-sngs.

The thing is it might be ok if it happens seldom that you gonna get reshoved and can't call.

I'm not going to bother arguing this again. It's been done to death. If anyone is interested in why it's most definitely fine, use the search feature. Or just do some basic math in your head for about 8 seconds.

Why did you even made the last post? You come over pretty arrogant, sir.
At least you can provide a link or something if your too lazy/not able to explain yourself or at least criticize what i have said instead of telling us to use the search feature.

I accept your criticism, my last post did come over a little abrasive; this seems to come up all the time, and no matter how many times the arguments are made it never seems to stop it coming up again.

Here is one thread where I and others run through it briefly. There are many others interested parties can find with the search feature.

In the most basic form, anywhere one can range players to act such as that raising is +EV, but calling their shove is -EV, we have a spot where raise/folding is +EV. In many spots this is more +EV than shoving, as basic math and pokerstove can tell us.

First of all the link isn't an example for a good r/f, because folding is terrible in this spot.

Secondly this guy pretty much got it right. Basically the same i already wrote.

Obviously it is. Read the thread.

What Ali wrote is basically correct, but it isn't what you said: "Normally you don't ever want to fold after 2xing 13bb effective stacks", with some ICM exceptions.

It's really not that hard to have reads on opponents. Just read the example Fidstar wrote in that thread. There are absolutely tons of spots where raising is +EV and calling isn't at those stack sizes, even before you factor in metagame. In fact anywhere where we can assume opponent ranges aren't adaptive enough, and the calls we get in shove spots are -cEV, we have a raise/fold spot.

If you must have an example here: I have K6o on the BTN with two nit recs to act, we're 13bb ef. They're calling shoves about 8%, reshoving maybe 9/10%. Shoving is +EV (~+2bb) but raise folding is way more +EV here (about +3bb). That's an edge you can't afford to miss.

Further, recs are flatting and folding to c-bets far more often than they should, which is just massively +EV.

If you can't find these spots, or think they're somehow rare, you're not looking hard enough. They'll come up all the time. Every session.

You can twist it and turn it like you want: Its nasty to build up a winning strategy on 2x/fing 13bigs in micro mtts.
Maybe we just have a communication problem. You don't get that im playing 180man 3.5r and higher plus mtts, which makes me tend not to open 2x w 13bb as a bluffsteal, bc its looked upon as a leak of most regs out there and you gonna get reshoved on a ton.
In these games we practically don't have these weak regs just calling 2x with shallow stacks, not even the worst regs do this. Maybe in micro 45man sngs where you play alot around 10-15bb plus you have the worst player ever sitting in them.
I remember not a long time ago mtt high stakes player debating over 2x/f w 20bb stacks, lol. As i said maybe its a matter of style (which i find nasty) or a matter of the format you actually play.