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Old 09-05-2011, 12:45 PM   #26
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

hey, is it ok to post printscreens of the hands? how many hands can I post in a thread? thx.
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Old 09-06-2011, 05:01 AM   #27
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

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hey guys, i have a question. what is the threshold for when we do NOT simply do push/fold? Is it bad to play a raise/fold strategy 20bb? 15bb? 25bb?
From what I have read/understand, once you are above 13-14BBs you are not always pushing. For me I go into push/fold mode around 10BBs. If I am on the button or cutoff I think it is fine to steal 3x instead of shove, but ig I have a decent hand I usually shove.
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Old 09-06-2011, 08:25 AM   #28
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

Abt 30ppl left in 3.5+R 180man. All players behind me are randoms.

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BB ($16,382)
UTG ($23,064)
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Hero ($18,265)
MP1 ($29,977)
CO ($35,289)
BTN ($9,515)

Dealt to Hero Q T

fold, fold, Hero raises to $18,115 (AI),

Correct? SNG Wiz suggests folding for 180man format. What would you do? What's the optimal shoving range?
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Old 09-07-2011, 08:43 AM   #29
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

Hi Guys/Girls, dont really know if this is the right thread to post in but i'll try anyway thanks xposted from another site just posting here to see if anyone knows


first session on stars last night playing 45 man MTTSNG split ~40% normal ~60% turbo, small winning session although got caught out and stayed up later than i wanted to so have to work out how long i want to stay reg'ing for games - as i don't want to be recked for work in the morning

any one got any idea'show long aver the following games last (on Stars)

45's normal speed
45's Turbo
45's super turbo
90's normal Speed
90's Turbo
90's super turbo
180's normal
180's Turbo
180's Super Turbo

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Old 09-07-2011, 09:28 AM   #30
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

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Hi Guys/Girls, dont really know if this is the right thread to post in but i'll try anyway thanks xposted from another site just posting here to see if anyone knows


first session on stars last night playing 45 man MTTSNG split ~40% normal ~60% turbo, small winning session although got caught out and stayed up later than i wanted to so have to work out how long i want to stay reg'ing for games - as i don't want to be recked for work in the morning

any one got any idea'show long aver the following games last (on Stars)

45's normal speed
45's Turbo poss 90mins??
45's super turbo
90's normal Speed
90's Turbo
90's super turbo
180's normal
180's Turbo
180's Super Turbo

Thanks
Have just started playing these yesterday too, best i've done so far is 2x 6th place finishes, both of which took around 75 mins, so I would say that theyre not lasting much longer than that to take one down.

How much volume are you looking at getting in? I stopped reg'ing at around 9:15pm so I wouldnt be wrecked for work in the morning, but only started at around 7:30ish after getting the kids to bed, pretty worried about how much volume i'm gonna do as i'm only 6 tabling atm
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Old 09-07-2011, 09:40 AM   #31
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

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Have just started playing these yesterday too, best i've done so far is 2x 6th place finishes, both of which took around 75 mins, so I would say that theyre not lasting much longer than that to take one down.

How much volume are you looking at getting in? I stopped reg'ing at around 9:15pm so I wouldnt be wrecked for work in the morning, but only started at around 7:30ish after getting the kids to bed, pretty worried about how much volume i'm gonna do as i'm only 6 tabling atm
Yeah Me too, think i started around 8:30 had up to 10 tables open in one point in the session i think i played 12 games last night busted my last game in fourth @ about 10:30, i also had a mix of turbo's and non turbo's so just wondering what will suit me best

Think i may open a thread as i would like to get some people's opion's on it
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Old 09-07-2011, 10:00 AM   #32
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

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Hi Guys/Girls, dont really know if this is the right thread to post in but i'll try anyway thanks xposted from another site just posting here to see if anyone knows


first session on stars last night playing 45 man MTTSNG split ~40% normal ~60% turbo, small winning session although got caught out and stayed up later than i wanted to so have to work out how long i want to stay reg'ing for games - as i don't want to be recked for work in the morning

any one got any idea'show long aver the following games last (on Stars)

45's normal speed
45's Turbo
45's super turbo
90's normal Speed
90's Turbo
90's super turbo
180's normal
180's Turbo
180's Super Turbo

Thanks
I change the filters on Stars to include completed games to see what time similar games started and finished. 180 turbos can take 1.5 - 2 hrs, longer with rebuys obv. Turbo 45s are around an hr, 90s between 1-1.5.
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Old 09-07-2011, 10:02 AM   #33
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Abt 30ppl left in 3.5+R 180man. All players behind me are randoms.

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Hero ($18,265)
MP1 ($29,977)
CO ($35,289)
BTN ($9,515)

Dealt to Hero Q T

fold, fold, Hero raises to $18,115 (AI),

Correct? SNG Wiz suggests folding for 180man format. What would you do? What's the optimal shoving range?
In MP with meh stack sizes I shove 88+, AQs+ AK+.
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Old 09-07-2011, 10:07 AM   #34
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$4/180 FT

i've been fairly active but nothing out of line.

couple of orbits ago he 3b me 2.5x and i folded - stacks were similar to this, we were quite a bit ahead of the others so it sorta felt like he was trying to icm **** me.

he seems to be on the taggier side, hadn't seen him do anything out of line as yet. running like 17/16 over a decent sample (80+ hands - non-turbo FTs last forever!)

i'd supersnapfold in a 45man but is the icm a big enough factor in 180s to fold as well? think it probs is but just want a check.


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Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10497112

UTG: 40,247 (20.1 bb)
MP: 25,299 (12.6 bb)
Hero (CO): 61,142 (30.6 bb)
BTN: 36,796 (18.4 bb)
SB: 83,179 (41.6 bb)
BB: 23,337 (11.7 bb)

Preflop: (1,200) Hero is CO with Q A
2 folds, Hero raises to 4,000, BTN folds, SB raises to 82,979 and is all-in, BB folds, Hero
this seems really borderline and with those stack sizes late game i'd be inclined to fold marginal and wait for a better spot.

he needs to 3b really light here for us to call if i'm not mistaken. even with 22+, AJs+, AQo+ our equity isn't that great.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.182% 39.46% 04.73% 64858425 7768185.00 { AdQd }
Hand 1: 55.818% 51.09% 04.73% 83986389 7768185.00 { 22+, AJs+, AQo+ }
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Old 09-24-2011, 10:00 AM   #35
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

quick question about sngwiz-

i'm trying to work on my shoving ranges - what kind of edge do you use for general tournament play? obv. there is always some sort of bubble factor at every stage, so you shouldn't just make every marginally +cev jam (at least that's my understanding), what's a good rule of thumb to use?

do you change the edge based on positions of opener etc? how much should it change between 10 and 20bb?

don't really want to change it based on buyin etc, 'cause i don't want to have to adjust everything when i move up.
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Old 09-24-2011, 11:59 PM   #36
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

ive been told by smart folk to keep it at 0
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Old 09-25-2011, 12:24 AM   #37
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Generally the deeper you are the bigger the edge... Personally I leave it at zero and "tax" myself if I think it's appropriate/necessary, I like to see what's mathematically profitable ignoring edge eitherway
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Old 09-25-2011, 10:03 AM   #38
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cheers guys, that makes things simpler at least.

you still use 0 edge for calling ranges too?
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Old 09-25-2011, 10:05 AM   #39
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$7/45 turbo FT, exact bubble.

how wide should we shove here?


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Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10716652

MP3: 2,311 (3.9 bb)
CO: 8,702 (14.5 bb)
BTN: 2,864 (4.8 bb)
Hero (SB): 6,425 (10.7 bb)
BB: 29,359 (48.9 bb)
UTG+2: 1,872 (3.1 bb)
MP1: 9,927 (16.5 bb)
MP2: 6,040 (10.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8 K
6 folds, Hero raises to 6,375 and is all-in
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Old 09-25-2011, 01:56 PM   #40
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

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Abt 30ppl left in 3.5+R 180man. All players behind me are randoms.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1,600(BB) Replayer
SB ($19,991)
BB ($16,382)
UTG ($23,064)
UTG+1 ($18,994)
Hero ($18,265)
MP1 ($29,977)
CO ($35,289)
BTN ($9,515)

Dealt to Hero Q T

fold, fold, Hero raises to $18,115 (AI),

Correct? SNG Wiz suggests folding for 180man format. What would you do? What's the optimal shoving range?
Seems like a very easy shove here. 22+ A2s+ A9o K8s+ KTo+ Q9s+ QJo J9s+ JTo or something?
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Old 09-26-2011, 10:45 AM   #41
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Since then I improved and agree - it's an easy shove. + I sucked at wiz back then. I'd add some connectors, suited gappers to that now.
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Old 09-26-2011, 01:27 PM   #42
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What range are you guys calling here? 45man FT

UTG is 14/13/36(steal pct.) over 142 hands

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{Tournament|PokerStars|1.36|0.14|1000|2000|100|45-Man}
UTG: t16214 7.7 BBs{Player|UTG|16214|Push|16214|Overridden|20}
Hero: t14244 6.8 BBs{Player|Hero|14244|Xc|Xs}
UTG+2: t5055 2.4 BBs{Player|UTG+2|5055|Fold|100}
CO: t3954 1.9 BBs{Player|CO|3954|Fold|100}
BTN: t2860 1.4 BBs{Player|BTN|2860|Fold|100}
SB: t16893 8 BBs{Player|SB|16893|Fold|100}
BB: t8280 3.9 BBs{Player|BB|8280|Fold|100}

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with XX
UTG pushes t16214 (10+), Hero?

Opponent calling ranges when hero pushes:
UTG+2 (6+), CO (8+), BTN (8+), SB (4+), BB (4+)
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Old 09-27-2011, 01:07 PM   #43
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ICM Spot. Villain is unknown, although has reggish stats (small sample) and has been shoving rather wide from LP. Notice UTG has 1bb. What's my calling range?


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    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10726142

    BTN: 102,580 (20.5 bb)
    SB: 52,184 (10.4 bb)
    Hero (BB): 46,708 (9.3 bb)
    MP: 6,172 (1.2 bb)
    CO: 62,356 (12.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with X X
    3 folds, SB raises to 51,684 and is all-in, Hero ??




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    Old 09-27-2011, 05:54 PM   #44
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    Hmm if he is an unknown and we don't know much else then maybe like 66 a9o a8s kqs or maybe a bit wider
    if he is definitely a reg shoving atc then much wider, 30%+
    you can go tighter a little since in this example the icm doesn't account for the fact that MP is BB next hand (and very likely eliminated, so we'd lose a little more equity than sng wiz/icm etc calculates if we bust here)

    edit: for the 180 man hand

    Last edited by OMGClayDol; 09-27-2011 at 05:59 PM.
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    Old 09-27-2011, 06:24 PM   #45
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    so you call ATo? I thought pretty much along same line except a little tighter range. Felt ATo was pretty close.
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    Old 09-27-2011, 10:21 PM   #46
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    yea close eitherway
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    Old 09-27-2011, 10:38 PM   #47
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    FT bubble. he had been v active.

    that pay jump isn't enough to make this a fold, right?


    Poker Stars, $7.34 Buy-in (1,000/2,000 blinds, 200 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10727042

    Handy Bulb (CO): 27,746 (13.9 bb)
    MI_turtle (BTN): 69,984 (35 bb)
    Hero (SB): 19,942 (10 bb)
    Shark@13_23 (BB): 27,856 (13.9 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with A 8
    Handy Bulb folds, MI_turtle raises to 68,000, Hero calls 18,742 and is all-in

    Last edited by phos77; 09-27-2011 at 10:44 PM. Reason: errr not sure how it's ft bubble if there's 4 of us but I'm pretty sure it was
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    Old 09-28-2011, 03:04 AM   #48
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    No, not even close
    If this were 4 handed ITM it would even be ok to call since you're the shortest stack (although not by much) etc.
    His range will be like 80%+ here unless he knows both of you are regs, call and say f u scamma
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    Old 09-28-2011, 05:32 AM   #49
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    call and say f u scamma
    QFT.
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    Old 09-28-2011, 08:25 AM   #50
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    1. 3r 180, abt 30ppl left.

      Poker Stars, $3.19 Buy-in (1,000/2,000 blinds, 200 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10728722

      MP1: 47,450 (23.7 bb)
      MP2: 36,913 (18.5 bb)
      MP3: 18,806 (9.4 bb)
      CO: 12,330 (6.2 bb)
      Hero (BTN): 17,188 (8.6 bb)
      SB: 32,824 (16.4 bb)
      BB: 29,618 (14.8 bb)
      UTG+2: 16,482 (8.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with 2 7
      5 folds, Hero raises to 16,988 and is all-in, SB folds, BB calls 14,988

      Flop: (36,576) K 6 T (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      Turn: (36,576) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      River: (36,576) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)




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      2. Far from the money in 3r 180man. Villain is a reg and I put him on 90-100% range.


        Poker Stars, $3.19 Buy-in (300/600 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10728732

        MP3: 4,973 (8.3 bb)
        CO: 10,050 (16.8 bb)
        BTN: 4,276 (7.1 bb)
        SB: 19,103 (31.8 bb)
        Hero (BB): 8,996 (15 bb)
        UTG+2: 18,604 (31 bb)
        MP1: 8,720 (14.5 bb)
        MP2: 11,290 (18.8 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BB with J 4
        5 folds, BTN raises to 4,226 and is all-in, SB folds, Hero calls 3,626

        Flop: (9,152) 6 T 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
        Turn: (9,152) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
        River: (9,152) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)




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        What do u guys think?
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