Poker Stars $3.13+$0.37 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds + t25 - 3 players
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BTN: t2841 M = 7.58
Hero (SB): t5525 M = 14.73
BB: t9634 M = 25.69

Pre Flop: (t375) Hero is SB with 4 4
1 fold, Hero , 1 fold

We're ITM.
Vilian loose passive, losing player.
Didn't push KQs b vs b 7bb deep ITM. Never 3bet over 220 hands.

Final table 45 man so we are ITM. BB unknown, 29/15 over 27
The hand (T7s) is a bottom push Nash-wise

If you're thinking about shoving then please never leave the nano stakes, I fear for your life. Just the easiest complete/fold ever. What is there to even question here?

since according to Nash equilibrium criteria it's actually the bottom of our shoving range, would u care to elaborate?
I personally don't think contemptuous answers are of any worth here...

Don't take it to heart, hyperbole is kinda his thing .

I'd be careful with using Nash ranges at a final table without looking at the context. It's less important to play a GTO style than it is to consider the size of other stacks and pay jumps. For example, shoving 19bb into the chip leader when we are 2nd in chips with a marginal holding is just spewy, and certainly not optimal.

Didn't mean to sound harsh. Yeh shoving 19bbs (or even 15 imo) is always bad. You should pay less attention to nash and more to common sense.

Lol, saying shoving is always bad is really bad. You speak so arrogantly like you know so much yet often you are (at least partly) incorrect. There are definitely situations where shoving 15, 19 etc is the most +EV option, even if there aren't that many. Yes that situation shoving isn't optimal but you can't just use blanket stadiums.

This reminds me of a hand from about 2 months ago I had saved.


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saw flop

Button (t140423)
Hero (SB) (t190068)
BB (t387081)
UTG (t113428)

Hero's M: 10.00

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7, 7
2 folds, Hero bets t189068 (All-In), 1 fold

Total pot: t24000

The BB is a reg, if we open and give him the standard reshoving range a reg will have it's FAR more profitable to open shove rather than to RC/RF.

Yeah and that's not even the best example (since it's a hand that depending exactly how wide he shoves, r/c could be better).

I'm not so sure? I don't think r/c can be better than open shoving in this spot (at least in terms of $EV, maybe your talking about cEV?). How wide would you want villain to be reshoving to consider r/c'ing 77 here?

I thought the example was pretty spot on. Very interested in your opinion here.

**sorry for derail from "quick checkup"**

ClayDol you are wrong. Why are you filling aspiring MTTSNG degens with this ICM blasphemy?

Go sit your cash game because I'm pretty sure you lost your mind somewhere in cEVland.

Shove your 77 here or light money on fire. Your choice kids.

People like you is why I've only posted on this forum 30 times...


If we give the BB a calling range of 11%, so like I think 66+A9s,A10o,KQ.
An open shove will show a profit of like +.23 so that's a $3.70 profit.

If we min raise call then to a reshoving range of maybe something like K6+, J9o,22,A2+ this will only show a profit of 0.11 so $0.17 profit.
I could be way off on these ranges, it only input them quickly just to prove a point.

FWIW if we open folding turns out to be more profitable than raise calling here.

I've only posted this hand to validate claydols point that it's not always bad to shove 20bb stacks in a certain spots.

No bs_jayhawk is saying that you have to shove, and that r/c is way worse or whatever. He seems mad though..

Anyway I haven't done the math, I was simply saying it's possible that if villain never flat calls our minraise, and shoves 100%, that the profitability could be more than open shoving. I was simply saying shoving is best there almost always but it just wasn't the best example since in that spot shoving or r/c can be at least somewhat close in EV, as opposed to other spots where shoving is way clearly superior. E.g. 15BB bvb vs a good (my definition of good - rejams a solid range, also flats a tonne to minr) reg in non ICM spot and we have 22. I guess I should have specified a bit more, but I think it's pretty clear I didn't actually say to r/c.

Few hands:


Villain shoved J9s into QQ the previous hand, otherwise unknown. Iso range?:






[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $13.77 Buy-in (400/800 blinds, 75 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
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BB: 12,195 (15.2 bb)
UTG+2: 10,762 (13.5 bb)
MP1: 8,224 (10.3 bb)
MP2: 2,124 (2.7 bb)
MP3: 5,155 (6.4 bb)
CO: 12,320 (15.4 bb)
BTN: 10,704 (13.4 bb)
Hero (SB): 4,380 (5.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with
2 folds, MP2 raises to 2,049 and is all-in, 3 folds, hero




Btn is a random. There's only one other reg at the table. Call ATC with odds or preserve FE and fold the crappiest of crap?:






[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $13.77 Buy-in (300/600 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
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MP1: 1,827 (3 bb)
MP2: 10,237 (17.1 bb)
MP3: 14,480 (24.1 bb)
CO: 9,401 (15.7 bb)
BTN: 2,012 (3.4 bb)
SB: 12,545 (20.9 bb)
Hero (BB): 6,605 (11 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with
4 folds, BTN raises to 1,962 and is all-in, 1 fold, hero



Both are unknown friday singletablers:






[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $13.77 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
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CO: 1,500 (75 bb)
BTN: 1,490 (74.5 bb)
SB: 1,480 (74 bb)
BB: 1,530 (76.5 bb)
UTG+1: 1,500 (75 bb)
UTG+2: 1,500 (75 bb)
MP1: 1,500 (75 bb)
Hero (MP2): 1,500 (75 bb)
MP3: 1,500 (75 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A K
UTG+1 raises to 40, UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to 100, Hero

First super wide, 22+,A2s+,K6s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,A2o+,K9o+,QTo+ at least I think it's even a bit wider

Second you have to call atc for sure. 72o has more than enough equity to call - remember you can pass really tiny edges but here you need like 1400 to win 4.8k or something, so you need 29%. Vs. Top 50% (kind of a tight range) you have it. Also I would almost never pass any edge for this little BB, because as % it's a pretty significant edge even if it's say 1/15th of a BB.

both being unknown i prob just jam aks lol.

in b4 4b/call (don't like this for various reasons)
mostly because the guys who jam aq or worse usually call off whatever bull**** they have anyway. and because getting flatted whilst not a disaster isn't ideal (and they often would call a jam anyway, you obviously rather they call aj to a jam then flat a 230 raise or whatever).

Yah, but you did say it could be better than open shoving. Even if villain is reshoving 90%+ (close enough to never), it's likely that the ev of open shoving still outweighs r/c.

Just wanted to clarify for those that read your statement and level themselves into thinking that inducing when your bubble factor is through the roof is a good idea, that's all.

Pretty basic spot but I am unsure, what play is best. SB is running 21/18 ober 84 hands and BB is 32/26 over 73 hands. Both are agressive but given BB's stack size, I do not think SB will reshove light against me. He had not seen me steal that much either. My plan was r/f against SB and obv call against BB. Either that or push allin in the first place.

My question is, which play is the most profitable one in this spot given villian description. Minraise or Push?

PokerStars - $7.34+$0.66|3000/6000 NL - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 117,097.00
BB: 40,685.00
Hero (BTN): 112,218.00

SB posts ante 600.00, BB posts ante 600.00, Hero posts ante 600.00, SB posts SB 3,000.00, BB posts BB 6,000.00

Pre Flop: (pot: 10800.00) Hero has 9 9

Hero raises to 12,000.00

he will still shove light. actually bb having 40k should mean sb shoves wider than if he had 60k. if bb had say 15k then yes sb will shove a lot tighter over your raise though.

def don't r/f to anyone. it's either r/c or jam

raise-call all day unless he's never 3bet.

What do you think is his shoving range in this spot (obv game flow dependent though)? I can not imagine his range would be much wider than like 55+,A8s+,KTs+,QTs+,ATo+,KJo+. A range against which we only have 52%. Not good to race with him, given the presence of the 40k shorty IMO. So yeah the more I think about it, shoving is probably best in the situation.

In the actual hand, SB shoved and BB shorty called. Now this becomes a fold right?

It's much more of a call if BB has come along obviously. I'd still r/c anyone here, even if it's taking a slight neg edge ICM wise, 99 is too good.

Why not? I would be more inclined to reshove light given the stacks sizes...

Umm isnt that actually the most important factor why we should fold? How can a negative ICM expectation be good for us, especially when we assume we have a slight edge over both opponents. Seems like pure gambling to me.


Technically he should because my open range will be very wide, but in my subjective experience people dont do it often enough. Him having a similar stack to me might cause him to play passively, not wanting to go up against me with mediocre hands, waiting for the shorty to bust. I'm not 100% sure on this one though, obv there will be plenty of people who are really good and do reshove the hell out of you but thats a minority IMO.

I'm sure this has been asked many times so please bear with me (new to MTTs), and tell me if I should post noob questions like this elsewhere.

What kind of ROI can a decent grinder say 8-tabling expect at Pokerstars: 18m t, 45m t, and 180m t?


And for a husng reg wanting to add MTTs, what should I play? I'm currently playing the 18m to get the hang of things.

180s should be best since they aren't as ICM-heavy as the smaller fields.