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03-11-2012 , 05:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by action10
Thanks for the explanation and input but I'm not sure that 99 is a call here, for a few reasons.

I actually think sb is much wider in this spot, given the pot odds and his stack size. I'd give him around 30%. As for the bb, as I say he is an okish reg and I don't think hes capable of overcalling with anything worse than AQo, 88. I calculated it on pokerstove, our equity in a 3 way pot is actually only 23% with 99. Add to this the fact that we are not 100 percent chip ev as it is the final table bubble and I think that this has to be a fold.
I agree with you about SB, I was just being "conservative" to make my point.

When I run the 3way calcs with the ranges you give, I'm getting ~30% equity, which makes 99 a call.

Edit: your original post didn't mention it was the bubble, so sure, depending on how far you want to stray from cEV this changes things a little.
03-11-2012 , 05:38 PM
My mistake, i entered it in to pokerstove again and got 30% as well. That pokerstove is one weird tool at times
03-12-2012 , 02:51 AM
Standard shove with this stack and any pair and from UTG as well right ?

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03-12-2012 , 03:05 AM
Another standard shove with this stack and short stacks present along with blinds increasing? I'd rather be shoving something besides an Ax hand here.

Would A2o be a fold in this spot if you are shoving this? I assume BB might be calling me with an ultra wide range due to pot odds but I'm not sure , I've seen ppl fold here getting great pot odds to call. Making the assumption he is calling ATC I assume would make shoving a more favorable option ?

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03-12-2012 , 03:12 AM
I know my range should be somewhat wide here but I assume this is a fold considering my hand and that going through the blinds doesn't cripple me as much then if they were higher?

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03-12-2012 , 07:57 AM
Hand 1 std shove, I'd jam any pair any position up to like 13bb. Hand 2 I'd fold because of the bb being pretty much committed, would shove there with a lot of randoms behind and bb slightly deeper, against lots of regs deff fold this. Hand 3 fold, prob jam about 40% there.
03-12-2012 , 09:00 AM
Should we be folding hand 3? If we do our fold equity will diminish significantly as the blinds are about to hit us. 67o actually has ok equity against the likely calling ranges...I shove about 70% here, possibly wider
03-12-2012 , 11:15 AM
We can obviously disregard hand 1 at this point.

Hand 2 I know getting folds is how we make most of our EV with Ax type hands in this spot but against a committed BB willing to call ATC , is that really much of an incentive to fold this ?

Hand 3 we're not far from what I think is a good shove range. Snap shoving 87s or better SC's. Interested in more opinions on both those hands.
03-12-2012 , 11:24 AM
What are you doing here and what are you calling with? Villain is decent ish reg.



    Poker Stars, $7.34 Buy-in (75/150 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12140432

    SB: 5,095 (34 bb)
    BB: 1,455 (9.7 bb)
    UTG+1: 1,545 (10.3 bb)
    UTG+2: 1,325 (8.8 bb)
    Hero (MP1): 2,630 (17.5 bb)
    MP2: 3,402 (22.7 bb)
    MP3: 2,460 (16.4 bb)
    CO: 1,808 (12.1 bb)
    BTN: 1,770 (11.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8 8
    UTG+1 folds, [color="red"]UTG+2 raises to 1,325 and is all-in

    Hero?




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    03-12-2012 , 11:55 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ChAAnt JC
    What are you doing here and what are you calling with? Villain is decent ish reg.



      Poker Stars, $7.34 Buy-in (75/150 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12140432

      SB: 5,095 (34 bb)
      BB: 1,455 (9.7 bb)
      UTG+1: 1,545 (10.3 bb)
      UTG+2: 1,325 (8.8 bb)
      Hero (MP1): 2,630 (17.5 bb)
      MP2: 3,402 (22.7 bb)
      MP3: 2,460 (16.4 bb)
      CO: 1,808 (12.1 bb)
      BTN: 1,770 (11.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8 8
      UTG+1 folds, [color="red"]UTG+2 raises to 1,325 and is all-in

      Hero?




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      Pre ante if he's decent I don't think he'd be shoving too many smaller pairs. It's a bit of a tough spot. Lots of ppl left to act behind as well , I think I fold.
      03-12-2012 , 10:22 PM
      Bleh, depends who the reg is. Having said that, probs fold anyway based on position.
      03-13-2012 , 01:55 PM
      Tyty. This is a standard cooler, right? Or could I have gotten away. We were both top 3 in chips, ITM. Villain is a reg playing like 12/10 but had opened up a lot. At this table over 15 hands he was 40/35 - something like that.





        Poker Stars, $3.19 Buy-in (2,500/5,000 blinds, 500 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12162782

        CO: 46,143 (9.2 bb)
        BTN: 53,003 (10.6 bb)
        Hero (SB): 104,640 (20.9 bb)
        BB: 120,576 (24.1 bb)
        UTG: 58,684 (11.7 bb)
        MP: 163,299 (32.7 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is SB with A J
        4 folds, Hero raises to 10,370, BB raises to 25,000, Hero raises to 104,140 and is all-in, BB calls 79,140

        Flop: (211,280) 2 7 J (2 players, 1 is all-in)
        Turn: (211,280) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
        River: (211,280) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

        Results: 211,280 pot
        Final Board: 2 7 J 2 6
        Hero showed A J and lost (-104,640 net)
        BB showed Q Q and won 211,280 (106,640 net)



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        03-13-2012 , 02:03 PM
        Also, is it ok to re-shove this? Small sample ~30 hands but villain is 29/24 40% steal.


          Poker Stars, $3.19 Buy-in (400/800 blinds, 75 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12162862

          MP1: 1,345 (1.7 bb)
          MP2: 15,881 (19.9 bb)
          MP3: 5,605 (7 bb)
          CO: 15,735 (19.7 bb)
          BTN: 6,035 (7.5 bb)
          Hero (SB): 11,905 (14.9 bb)
          BB: 8,658 (10.8 bb)
          UTG+2: 7,985 (10 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is SB with K 9
          5 folds, BTN raises to 5,960 and is all-in,
          Hero ?



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          03-13-2012 , 04:23 PM
          I think he may push 22+, A2o+, A2s+, K8o+, J8o+, Q9o+, K2s+, 87o+, 76s+, 86s+, K2s+, Q7s+, T7s+, J7s+ (he seems aggro reggish), we have 46% equity, we have to pay ca. 5600 to win 7600 so 1.4-1, that's 41% so borderline. If you consider him to be wider than what I put him on, then call, otherwise borderline decision, our odds don't match exactly. What did you think he would be pushing? Even if you call only your 15% range, he is correct to push ATC for a profit
          03-14-2012 , 05:54 AM
          Not liking the K9 reship. No maths from me, just looks spewy. KJs + 77+ A9s+

          Man, how accurate am I peeps as never really used SNG Wiz etc
          03-14-2012 , 06:21 AM
          I'm just starting to move to 8/3r's from 2.5's and maybe over-adjusting in both these spots but Fwiw, I feel like the guy is shipping wider than suggested. Not too far off atc with that stack size.
          03-14-2012 , 06:33 AM
          I think its a fine iso given description of villain.

          Just because its a 8/3r doesn't mean that everyone is wide there though. Play your normal 2/180 game, just start to flag regs and take notes - then adjust.

          Coggy: Villain would have to be shoving very tight for your range to be correct. With the info we have on him I don't think this is the case.
          03-14-2012 , 06:42 AM
          This is a really good point. Think I need to be more on it wrt taking notes. The other day I was shoved into from HJ by a reg with 12BBs & T5hh and rather than taking a note on that reg I probably just over-compensated w/everyone else.
          03-14-2012 , 12:17 PM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by ChAAnt JC
          Tyty. This is a standard cooler, right? Or could I have gotten away. We were both top 3 in chips, ITM. Villain is a reg playing like 12/10 but had opened up a lot. At this table over 15 hands he was 40/35 - something like that.





            Poker Stars, $3.19 Buy-in (2,500/5,000 blinds, 500 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12162782

            CO: 46,143 (9.2 bb)
            BTN: 53,003 (10.6 bb)
            Hero (SB): 104,640 (20.9 bb)
            BB: 120,576 (24.1 bb)
            UTG: 58,684 (11.7 bb)
            MP: 163,299 (32.7 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is SB with A J
            4 folds, Hero raises to 10,370, BB raises to 25,000, Hero raises to 104,140 and is all-in, BB calls 79,140

            Flop: (211,280) 2 7 J (2 players, 1 is all-in)
            Turn: (211,280) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
            River: (211,280) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

            Results: 211,280 pot
            Final Board: 2 7 J 2 6
            Hero showed A J and lost (-104,640 net)
            BB showed Q Q and won 211,280 (106,640 net)



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            Have you ever seen him 3b/f in this spot? And what is your image like? Could be a cooler, but it could also be a bad 4b, I think many 180 players will in general not 3b/f a lot.
            03-14-2012 , 03:52 PM
              Poker Stars, $4.10 Buy-in (300/600 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12174682

              MP1: 12,838 (21.4 bb)
              MP2: 18,998 (31.7 bb)
              Hero (MP3): 9,226 (15.4 bb)
              CO: 21,820 (36.4 bb)
              BTN: 8,208 (13.7 bb)
              SB: 10,474 (17.5 bb)
              BB: 7,886 (13.1 bb)
              UTG+2: 13,461 (22.4 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J A
              UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to 1,200, MP2 calls 1,200, Hero raises to 9,176 and is all-in, CO folds, BTN calls 8,158 and is all-in, 2 folds, MP1 raises to 12,788 and is all-in, MP2 folds

              Flop: (29,010) 4 K 7 (3 players, 3 are all-in)
              Turn: (29,010) 3 (3 players, 3 are all-in)
              River: (29,010) 4 (3 players, 3 are all-in)




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              Is this standard? 4,50 180m TOP17, open raiser 18/14 after small sample was playing only 1 tourney.
              03-14-2012 , 10:23 PM
              aj is fine with no further info, some ppl never 3b fold here and vs that even tho it seems exploitable we can just fold (but we are can exploit their too tight tendancies by opening super wide bvb)

              k9 very bottom of range iso is fine with no further info but not super thrilled

              aj is meh, from experience it doesn't do too well to 3b shove over earlyish poition raiser with stacks around 13-17bb but here there isa flatter = more dead money. stats on the flatter matter too as if he is a reg he should be pretty nutted. at the widest id go ajo ats 77 or something, default for me personally is like 88 aqo aqs quite tight (widens vs looser players etc)
              03-15-2012 , 03:03 PM
              88 (1250 ship 150bb) pre-ante your playing against 66 AJ
              just ship 88 in that spot
              03-15-2012 , 03:33 PM
              Villain is regular (8/8) or so
              bottom?
              range?


              Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players


              MP3: 5,480 (54.8 bb)
              CO: 1,275 (12.8 bb)
              BTN: 2,675 (26.8 bb)
              SB: 1,115 (11.2 bb)
              BB: 2,990 (29.9 bb)
              Hero (UTG+1): 1,315 (13.2 bb)
              UTG+2: 1,705 (17.1 bb)
              MP1: 5,525 (55.3 bb)
              MP2: 1,505 (15.1 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 9 9
              Hero raises to 200, UTG+2 raises to 1,705 and is all-in, 7 folds, Hero calls 1,115 and is all-in

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              03-17-2012 , 01:17 PM
              Villain's a compitent reg. How do you guys play this? 27 left, awkward stack sizes.


                Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (400/800 blinds, 75 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
                Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12190952

                MP3: 20,539 (25.7 bb)
                CO: 10,506 (13.1 bb)
                BTN: 7,318 (9.1 bb)
                SB: 13,712 (17.1 bb)
                Hero (BB): 12,014 (15 bb)
                MP1: 5,855 (7.3 bb)
                MP2: 13,136 (16.4 bb)

                Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 9
                MP1 folds, MP2 raises to 1,725, 4 folds, Hero ?



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                03-19-2012 , 04:12 AM
                This depends on the villain, he would have to be really, really, really nitty for me not to shove this.

                Last edited by tomsom87; 03-19-2012 at 04:18 AM.

                      
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