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01-14-2017 , 08:13 AM
[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (300/600 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
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MP2: 7,393 (12.3 bb)
MP3: 3,779 (6.3 bb)
CO: 14,825 (24.7 bb)
BTN: 10,042 (16.7 bb)
SB: 11,275 (18.8 bb)
Hero (BB): 8,766 (14.6 bb)
UTG+2: 4,620 (7.7 bb)
MP1: 9,632 (16.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J 9
UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to 1,200, 5 folds, Hero calls 600

Flop: (3,100) 6 7 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets 1,200, Hero raises to 7,516 and is all-in, MP1 calls 6,316

Turn: (18,132) 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (18,132) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Hi how would you play this hand given that it was almost on the bubble. Would you regard that at all and play it more passively with a call OTF perhaps or not?

Thx
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01-14-2017 , 08:27 AM
pretty close to just call flop and see what brings turn,some backdoor stuff etc.
i dont mind x/jam as well
only problem if you against FDs,smth like ATcc etc,he never folds OTF.
he might slow down OTT if you call flop and you can bluff some rivers (or improve and value bet)
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01-15-2017 , 04:05 AM
Villain has a reshove stack opening into 6 players including shorties who can shove and force him to commit more. Range should be maybe: 88+, ATs+, AQo+, KJs+, QJs and that's wide given it's the bubble. (he'll also open shove some other stuff)

Preflop is great pot odds but probably a fold given you'll need 2 pair or better to stack off against that range and you don't have enough behind to justify it.

On the flop.He may well be c-betting 100% with this sizing against our wide 1BB pre-flop calling range. We have 40% equity, equilab says he has:

3 combos of sets
30 combos of overpairs
49 combos of 2 overs (predominately A-high)

The thing is, if we semi-bluff he has 2 to 1 odds to call and won't lay down A high because our move looks like exactly what it is. Even ATs which has a gutshot would have direct pot odds against a single pair, something like AKo has correct pot odds if we have Jh9c at least 2/3 as often as we have Jh8c. We can't represent a set because 66-88 are mandatory jams pre-flop It's true we have some 2-pair or pair plus OESD combos that crush him though.

However, we have great pot odds to make a profitable call and see the turn. On the turn villain will either
1) step up the pace with his overpairs and give up with his random overcards, allowing us to pick it the pot on the river unimproved against his overcards or
2) continue to give us great pot odds with his whole range.

The thing is, whenever 1 happens - he's giving up with more than half of his range on the next street, we could call even with two blank cards and no dead money. We don't know he's doing that but we have lots of dead money here relative to the price to call.

So call flop.

EDIT: I would never do this in game but open-jamming flop for 2.5x pot looks like an option. If he calls 88+, AKs, ATs, AKo, as well as AQ, AJ, KJ, QJ that's 57 combos against which we have 37.32%.

So take it down = 3100 * (82-57)/82 = 945.12
If called = ((18132 * 0.3732)-7516) * (57/82) = -520.742

The trouble is the bubble probably makes it -$ev

Last edited by LektorAJ; 01-15-2017 at 04:26 AM.
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01-15-2017 , 02:12 PM
I'd fold pre for sure, leaning more towards flatting flop as played, he should have a slightly tighter range opening into so many people and not sure how often he'll fold as the posters above have said
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01-17-2017 , 12:13 PM
Thx for replies guys. I agree that villain should have a pretty tight range here something like Lektor wrote, then its pretty close preflop and fold pre seems like a viable option pre. Then against this tight range we should have all sets 66-88 in our calling range, because against this tight range it is -EV to shove them pre unless he is overfolding to a 3betshove. And I would shove sets and 2pairs the same as OESD OTF given no further info about villain. If I knew, that villain is a maniac or frequent turn cbetor I would probably just call exploitatively w my sets and 2pairs to let him hang.
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01-17-2017 , 03:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by buttonko
against this tight range we should have all sets 66-88 in our calling range, because against this tight range it is -EV to shove them pre unless he is overfolding to a 3betshove.
Good point. Yes we should just flat those pre given Villain's strong range and the pot odds/implied odds.
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01-18-2017 , 08:03 AM
We're all assuming that an unknown is opening a tight range here?

Defend pre is std.

Flop x/c or x/r can both be fine here and you can make cases for either.
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