Hi!

I would like to add some more mtts ( <11$) to my 180 grind sessions. I already play the hot 2.2, hot 5.5, hot 11 and 1R splash. Anyone any suggestions?

play them all, they're all softer than 180s

play some small field vannilla's
they get around the 1k field instead of the big fields like the hot etc.

True. but the variance is going to be higher due to increased field size. Also a deep run can go on forever in a large field event. Its hard to get up for work in the morning on 3 hours sleep when you have just earned 4 weeks wages in one day! #firstworldproblems

+1

This post of mine

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19...tsngs-1553950/

suggests that you need about 3x the usual bankroll for 180 mans to be playing MTTs with 1300 runners.

All the $2.2-$3.3s. Stars keeps adding more of them.

Depending what times you play, a lot of these get <1k.

less then 1k runners? Say its 800 runners which would probably have to be very off peak. That's still a whole lot more variance then 180's which in themselves have pretty sick variance.

I'm pretty sure the 800 runners vanilla reg speed tours have less variance than 180s. Assuming you're talking about turbos, they will also not be too bad in terms of variance given edges are higher. People always tend to forget that 180 payout structure is among the steepest stars offers

Not when you account for the fact that they take longer and you will have smaller samples over time. There is no point comping say a 3K sample between the 2 formats (when it will take you more then twice as long. Yes deeper formats allow greater edge and therefore greater resilience to variance but there is more to consider.

Why would you not compare two 3k samples? That's the definition of variance.
My point is that playing 800 field tournaments with a 50+% ROI will be quite similar if not lower variance than 180s with 20% ROI in terms of what downswings and breakeven stretches we can expect. The fact that they take longer is completely irrelevant

Were you getting at hourly rate here?

thanks for the suggestions guys. what are vanilla tournaments?

Vanilla is/was the most common form of ice cream sold in some English-speaking countries, so it in other contexts it usually means "ordinary, not with special or unusual features".

For example you have vanilla sex with your wife in the missionary position (or similar) twice a week and see your mistress another couple of times a week for the really perverted stuff.

So a vanilla tournament means not a shoot-out, knock-out, timed tournament, zoom tournament, ante-only or anything else. Just a normal tournament.

best 2 plus 2 post ever.

I'm not talking about Hourly rate, not in terms of expected return anyway. I'm saying you cant compare a 3k sample from each if in real terms it takes you 3 times as long to achieve said sample in one format. I'm talking in real terms as related to the resource we are all restricted by ie. time.

My mortgage is due once a month. It has to be paid once a month. If I can only get 1/3 sample done in that month then obviously that sample is going to be greater effected by variance.

Yes greater expected Roi will make us more resilient to variance, but we therefore have to weight up the difference in expectation in either format.

I'm kind of arguing against myself here as I'm now playing more MTT then MTSNG but I'm playing on another site then stars with smaller field and softer fields to. But this is about maximising expectation not minimising variance.

I'm not arguing against OP incorporation some into his game it just in means you have to adjust your br strategy in my opinion. ( the amount you have to do this depends on what you think your difference in roi is going to be)

My general points is all the literature on bankroll approach Kelly criterion etc doesn't take into account real world paramaters mainly time . Its a biggy and its a bitch. we are not bots we exist in a real world with real world expenses. Bots don't eat but I have to!