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07-06-2012 , 02:52 PM

zloty

stranger

Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 10

Obviously i was pretty concerned with the flat call, should I flat here also?

[/B]PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 1 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 (t1645)
Hero (MP2) (t1895)
MP3 (t3748)
CO (t1095)
Button (t2155)
BB (t1550)
UTG (t1565)
UTG+1 (t1347)

Hero's M: 42.11

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K

, K

2 folds, Hero bets t150, 3 folds, BB raises to t510, UTG calls t480, Hero raises to t1895 (All-In), BB calls t1040 (All-In), UTG calls t1055 (All-In)

Flop: (t4680) 6

, 3

, Q

(3 players, 3 all-in)

Turn: (t4680) 8

(3 players, 3 all-in)

River: (t4680) 5

(3 players, 3 all-in)

Total pot: t4680

07-06-2012 , 03:26 PM

Sokz

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 1,331

nope, wp.

07-06-2012 , 03:26 PM

Sokz

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 1,331

Im betting here 120 max btw.

07-06-2012 , 05:27 PM

fidstar-poker

I'm gonna need a hacksaw

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 32,992

Wp. 150 is ok, the hand convertor seems to have dropped off the initial UTG call.

07-06-2012 , 06:51 PM

poker_giant

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 234

bet less in your first raise something like 90 or 100 .. as played its ok to get it in here.
you just got coolered by AA .. that happens

and you never need to be concerned with the flat caller ..
only concern is 3 bettor but ship is absolute standard in this spot

07-06-2012 , 08:14 PM

Pghfan987

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,936

NH. Discounting satties, probably .001% of situations with KK warrant a fold preflop. The thing is, only about .1% of players are capable of identifying these spots and making the proper folds. I'm not one of those players. OP, you probably aren't, either. So just don't fold KK pre.

07-06-2012 , 10:50 PM

zloty

stranger

Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pghfan987

Ha, far from it. Your right , I just wanted to make sure the play was ok as it did feel a little odd but I was more than happy to get the money in.

Thanks for the replies everyone

07-07-2012 , 01:02 AM

DaRook1e

centurion

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 124

I am always happy to move in vs 3 with KK so early
What would you do if you were dealt AK? Fold to 3-bet or push again?

07-07-2012 , 08:49 AM

zloty

stranger

Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaRook1e

I am always happy to move in vs 3 with KK so early
What would you do if you were dealt AK? Fold to 3-bet or push again?

Seeing as it's only the second level I'd probably fold. Shouldn't we expect strong hands here with 3 bet then a flat call behind?

07-07-2012 , 01:06 PM

#10

AKA47

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 200

Quote:

Originally Posted by zloty

Seeing as it's only the second level I'd probably fold. Shouldn't we expect strong hands here with 3 bet then a flat call behind?

What difference does it make if its second level? If your move is cEV+ just go with it. My 4bet shoving range would be QQ+AK against most players.

07-08-2012 , 10:01 PM

#11

Jonebulda

newbie

Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 37

Delighted all-in!

07-10-2012 , 08:44 AM

#12

Martypartyy

banned

Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 77

bet 90 or 120, wp

07-11-2012 , 12:15 PM

#13

arlecchino76

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 1,632

In SnG's I'm never folding KK pre, ever.

07-13-2012 , 10:44 AM

#14

furo

deviation of equilibrium

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 29,639

the 5x is awful but it seems you got enough action anyway.
i'd fold TT and AK here, both are herofolds imo since they can have all type of crap.

07-15-2012 , 12:45 PM

#15

XMenCypher

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,575

Quote:

Originally Posted by furo

the 5x is awful but it seems you got enough action anyway.
i'd fold TT and AK here, both are herofolds imo since they can have all type of crap.

def this, getting in with KK, the flatter can have all kind of crap like 33 or A9s (or AA:P)

07-15-2012 , 07:54 PM

#16

Mindscape

stranger

Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 9

The preflop raise seems perfectly reasonable depending on the table. When there are many players with loose preflop requirements, your preflop raise must be higher to drive out the weak hands in order to reduce variance.

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