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interesting spot ft 15 180man with 20bb interesting spot ft 15 180man with 20bb

04-16-2014 , 04:35 AM
SB is a random who is pretty nitty.
BB is a reg running 17/14 with 9% 3bet from the blinds over 1.2k hands

we are like the top 3 stacks and I was actually the CL at the time.
I think BB being a reg would means he should be jamming a lot of hands even hands like 89s, due to icm reason I can only call the top of my range.

before I thought jamming 22-88 is standard, but now I don't really think so because only his AKtype hands or big pairs would call. and we risking 20bb to win like 2bb..
Not sure about the math but I believe the shove does get through a lot, if SB was also a reg I probably fine with the shove, but with SB being a nit, I think r/f here should be way more profitable

thoughts?



    Poker Stars, $13.77 Buy-in (1,250/2,500 blinds, 250 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #25879271

    BB: 44,931 (18 bb)
    UTG+2: 37,860 (15.1 bb)
    MP1: 33,175 (13.3 bb)
    MP2: 18,616 (7.4 bb)
    MP3: 18,748 (7.5 bb)
    CO: 15,820 (6.3 bb)
    Hero (BTN): 51,696 (20.7 bb)
    SB: 49,154 (19.7 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with 3 3
    5 folds, Hero raises to 51,446 and is all-in

    Spoiler:
    Results: 8,250 pot
    BB mucked and lost (-2,750 net)
    Hero mucked 3 3 and lost (-2,750 net)
    SB mucked and lost (-1,500 net)



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    04-16-2014 , 05:17 AM
    hero raise/folds.
    04-16-2014 , 07:13 AM
    no reason to Jam with this stack dynamic the SB and BB can ruin your day when they wake up with a hand.

    Think of it like this. Which is more likely, the approximately 1-1.5% you will win this tourney on average, or the greater than 1% chance he is going to wake up and call with a hand the can beat 33 or draw out on you.

    I would raise/fold and protect your equity in the tourney with these stacks.
    04-16-2014 , 08:41 PM
    Quote:
    BB is a reg running 17/14 with 9% 3bet from the blinds over 1.2k hands
    Quote:
    I think BB being a reg would means he should be jamming a lot of hands even hands like 89s, due to icm reason I can only call the top of my range.
    Really doubt BB is defending that wide in that spot.
    Quote:
    before I thought jamming 22-88 is standard
    That deep on a FT is def not a standard line to take
    Quote:
    I think r/f here should be way more profitable
    Only optimall way to play the hand been that deep, folding pre and r/c is out of the question and open pushing 18bb effective is just too much
    04-17-2014 , 05:02 AM
    What is our range for r/f here?
    04-17-2014 , 10:08 AM
    You should be more intrested on determine whats your r/c range, easier to define with what range u can call and just fold the rest, for this depends who is on the blinds but as a defeault im gonna be r/c 99+, AJ+ unless i have a strong read on the villain, i can r/c lighter or tighter
    04-18-2014 , 10:44 AM
    I'd go with a minraise/fold here like always
    maybe just call and try a small play on the flop, unless you hit trips, then try to get as much value as possible
    04-18-2014 , 01:52 PM
    looking at this i think in game i would mr/f here.

    But heres something to think about i believe we can calculate what is worth more in terms of +cev here. Im thinking it is the shove(however this is not icm) maybe someone wants to investigate this more? but shoving would obviously increase our variance... which is already VERY high playing these games so perhaps its best to mr/f just for that reason
    04-19-2014 , 04:18 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by onlinepokerwiz
    You should be more intrested on determine whats your r/c range, easier to define with what range u can call and just fold the rest, for this depends who is on the blinds but as a defeault im gonna be r/c 99+, AJ+ unless i have a strong read on the villain, i can r/c lighter or tighter
    My questions was poorly formulated. What is open-raising range in this spot? 100%?
    04-19-2014 , 04:31 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Parvex
    My questions was poorly formulated. What is open-raising range in this spot? 100%?
    definetly not 100%
    more like 40-60%

    22+
    Ax
    Kxs
    45s+
    98+
    97s+
    stuff like that, but not 100%, that'd be really easy to abuse if any of them are looking
    you can try though, but stop doing it when they play back at you
    04-21-2014 , 10:24 AM
    Would def. open very wide here vs like 95% of the 180 player pool, if there peeling the bb light would be a bigger concern to me then how much they are playing back when I am taking into consideration the strength of my hand. You have both blinds covered, theres some ICM in play, and the blinds are risking a lot by "making a move" here. 33 is in that range for the reasons above, shuving will be chip+ev but not optimal w/o super specific reads.
    04-22-2014 , 10:02 AM
    unexploitable shove gg
    04-27-2014 , 09:19 PM
    easy raise/fold lol
    04-28-2014 , 11:00 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JccGrmn
    unexploitable shove gg
    yes

    but there are other options that offer higher EV so shoving is not optimal, although not horrible either
    04-30-2014 , 05:59 PM
    I think versus nitty/player who no play back there is no reason ship this deep 33.
    They playing back 3betting is simply too tight and if get called we still take it down good % by cbetting good boards assuming they will play straight forward postflop and sometimes by hitting set/win unimproved.

    If players is really loose aggressive/loose passive i can see shoving being better option. We simply get action too often.
    05-01-2014 , 06:43 AM
    Yes b/f, if SB is a nit we expect him to fold enough too make it profitable.

          
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