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12-06-2013 , 05:09 AM

gurw

newbie

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 22

It's early, and not necessary. I would guess this is as clear fold as if I had 23o...
Should I call any wider than AA and KK?

Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (15/30 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #21353171

Hero (BB): 1,500 (50 bb)
UTG+1: 1,470 (49 bb)
UTG+2: 1,560 (52 bb)
MP1: 1,440 (48 bb)
MP2: 2,000 (66.7 bb)
MP3: 1,060 (35.3 bb)
CO: 4,705 (156.8 bb)
BTN: 1,395 (46.5 bb)
SB: 1,470 (49 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J

2 folds, MP1 raises to 90, MP2 folds, MP3 calls 90, CO raises to 395, 2 folds, Hero calls 365, MP1 raises to 1,440 and is all-in, MP3 folds, CO raises to 4,705 and is all-in, Hero calls 1,105 and is all-in

Flop: (4,545) Q

(3 players, 3 are all-in)
Turn: (4,545) K

(3 players, 3 are all-in)
River: (4,545) J

(3 players, 3 are all-in)

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12-06-2013 , 05:17 AM

Microdegen

adept

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 923

I don't have a calling range there. My shoving range would be QQ+ probably, depending on reads/stats though.

12-06-2013 , 05:42 AM

fidstar-poker

I'm gonna need a hacksaw

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 32,993

Jam or fold the first time. QQs are a definite jam, TT an easy fold. JJ depend of reads.

12-07-2013 , 06:20 AM

chav

grinder

Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 483

Quote:

Originally Posted by fidstar-poker

Jam or fold the first time. QQs are a definite jam, TT an easy fold. JJ depend of reads.

Easy jam pre.COs 3bet is atrocious prorly never KK+and u have nice overlay if the MPs both fold and CO calls.
Also if 3 way AI u need ~31-32%(some dead money) and JJ is 36% given ranges:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.256% 35.42% 02.83% 6566407056 525491492.00 { TT+, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 1: 25.440% 22.70% 02.74% 4208354316 507811640.00 { QQ-99, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 2: 36.304% 35.22% 01.08% 6529455192 200557400.00 { JJ }

12-07-2013 , 11:42 AM

gurw

newbie

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 22

I think the raisers looks strong. I ended up with 3rd best set. I had a feeling they were strong, and hope I will fold next time...

12-07-2013 , 11:51 AM

Tank3betFold

newbie

Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 24

DEM jacks.....

12-07-2013 , 05:10 PM

L0DDENThinks

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,265

Shove or fold first time round, calling is the worst thing you can do. I'm folding this early on, probably fold JJ but would be player dependent.

12-07-2013 , 07:43 PM

HGoblin

centurion

Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 197

At this buy-in TT is clear fold, and QQ is clear call.

Its funny how tough the games have got, but I think JJ and AKo are both folds. AKs is interesting for call-fold.

12-08-2013 , 11:45 AM

suprguard

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 603

Just fold here. Most guys have very tight ranges and you don't close the action which makes it awkward. I shove QQ+ AK.

12-08-2013 , 12:37 PM

#10

Pghfan987

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,936

I would shove pre at this buy-in level. I'm not certain that TT is a clear fold since it's so damn hard to range people accurately at these stakes. They can show up with some LOL stuff. Don't hate folding TT, I'm just not sure. I'm definitely jamming AK, JJ+ tho.

12-08-2013 , 06:41 PM

#11

yannick501

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 285

At 2.5s, i think you can get away with shoving over CO's 3-bet. But i haven't played those stakes in a while

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