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Gutterball on paired flop readless 4.50 180 man Gutterball on paired flop readless 4.50 180 man

10-24-2014 , 04:43 PM
    Poker Stars, $4.10 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #32048842

    BTN: 1,500 (75 bb)
    SB: 1,500 (75 bb)
    Hero (BB): 1,500 (75 bb)
    UTG+1: 1,500 (75 bb)
    UTG+2: 1,500 (75 bb)
    MP1: 1,500 (75 bb)
    MP2: 1,500 (75 bb)
    MP3: 1,500 (75 bb)
    CO: 1,500 (75 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 3 6
    4 folds, MP3 raises to 60, 3 folds, Hero calls 40

    Flop: (130) 7 4 7 (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP3 bets 80, Hero raises to 200, MP3 raises to 480, Hero raises to 1,440 and is all-in, MP3 calls 960 and is all-in

    Turn: (3,010) 3 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: (3,010) 7 (2 players, 2 are all-in)




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    I raise this flop near 100% of the time when I have trips or better, so I need to have a bluffing range here too, this hand seems perfect for that because its not nearly strong enough to flat but I do have some suckout equity.
    I don't expect him to have a flop 3betting range due to the polarising nature ( I wouldn't raise overpairs aside from maybe slowplayed AA here, seems silly.. I wouldn't expect him to think I would either ) of my flop raise.

    He does 3bet, however.. I find this surprising but this looks very polarising aswell as he's reraising a polarised range and there's few draws to protect from, so I expect him to have A7s, 44 maybe hands like 87s for value along with some percentage of random bluffs..

    I decide I have more 7s than him and he wont bluffcatch me light with any of his 3bet bluffs as we're readless and I don't think he'd expect a random player to 4bet jam bluff flop with little to no equity ( like no good possible draws ).

    Is my thought process okay here?
    10-24-2014 , 05:40 PM
    fold preflop. postflop, i think you epicly outlevelled yourself.
    10-24-2014 , 06:14 PM
    fold pre

    rest of the hand is therefore totally irrelevant, so I literally didn't even bother to read it
    10-25-2014 , 08:07 AM
    You don't need to worry about balancing your range at low stakes. You're making this too complicated. Why do you need a bluffing range vs a random?

    You're assuming other people play like you. You don't include any history, yet assign your opponent a very specific thought process.

    Every decision is bad. Fold preflop, fold flop.
    10-25-2014 , 11:06 AM
    Well.. We have no history, so he should give me more credit?
    He has no clue whether I'm capable of being light here, but the vast majority of players are not, so it makes more sense to do this without history than it does with history, as he doesn't know enough about me to take a nonstandard line here...

    I am just trying to figure out if the "very specific thought process" I assigned him made sense and whether it makes more sense to flat a hand like QQ OTF if we're villain, given that we're readless and don't know whether they'd spazz with bluffs, which seems unlikely?



    I tend to spew a lot readless but my thought process behind plays seems pretty solid to me usually when I look back, though they don't work out very often..
    Am trying to defend my BB wide to practice my postflop OOP which is why I called pre.. Might be a losing defend but I gain experience and how bad of a defend can it really be?

    Last edited by Juanda Had Trips; 10-25-2014 at 11:16 AM.
    10-25-2014 , 11:33 AM
    I thought I'd have learnt my lesson when I bluffed off 450 BB in a deepstacked game cuz I thought they had face up trips and could rep a full house readless. :/
    10-26-2014 , 08:35 PM
    If you're trying to push people off hands at low stakes, you're gonna have a bad time. Just focus on the fundamentals and stop trying to blast people off hands. Your thought process seems solid to you because you're talking to yourself.

    Defending OOP with 36s is that bad. If you want to do it for experience or to play around, at least realize it is massively -EV. Playing draws OOP sucks, and that's generally the spot you'll be in when you flop something. Given your lack of discipline and tendency to punt your stack trying to outplay people, you should probably stop defending wide at all for awhile.

    You generally win at low stakes by playing straightforward and getting max value, not by bluffing.
    10-26-2014 , 10:28 PM
    Pretty much everything Beerman said, like this

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Beerocrat
    You don't need to worry about balancing your range at low stakes. You're making this too complicated. Why do you need a bluffing range vs a random?.
    and this

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Beerocrat
    If you're trying to push people off hands at low stakes, you're gonna have a bad time.
    Look, there's no shame in the game, so trying new stuff, whatever, we all do it, and $7 for a lesson ain't bad, so long as you learn it! (The # of times I've spent $25 on a donkbluff "they have to see what I'm repping"....) Here the $7 might be well spent. Don't defend with sh*t, play ABC in micros, and expect them to gii with any overpair 100% of the time. You can't rep anything to people playing their cards, not the board. Hell, it wouldn't even shock me to find out he called w Ax hearts.

    Cardinal rules: if you want to practice funky sh*t, again we've all done it, do it IN POSITION. And if you want to take a stab, go ahead, but any resistance, get out of the way.
    10-28-2014 , 04:16 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Juanda Had Trips
    MP3 raises to 480
    At this point you should know that villain isn't giving up.
    10-29-2014 , 08:08 PM
    lol wtf Why are you leveling yourself at lower stake games? You are thinking too many levels ahead which makes your game super unprofitable. The return is not worth it to be making these types of plays in the beginning.

    This is a non-turbo game if I am not mistaken so you have all the time in the world to make profitable plays. Why do you choose to make this type of play?
    10-30-2014 , 05:40 AM
    All the above, for an instance i thought i was reading the wrong forum with that level of thinking
    10-30-2014 , 06:15 AM
    no offense but early levels of 4.5 180s a filled with people like you. they think its wsop or something

    play abc here.
    regs are nits postflop so you can't win a lot with theese kind of moves(if they don't fold you are dead)
    vs fish you are even more dead(they don't fold 3rd pair)

          
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