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FT with 5 left.. Hero utg with K5o with 2.8 BB ICM call FT with 5 left.. Hero utg with K5o with 2.8 BB ICM call

02-02-2014 , 01:37 PM
Blinds just shot up to 1.5/3 K this hand. Hero utg with k50 with blinds next... ICM Spot.. shove or fold?





    Poker Stars, $3.19 Buy-in (1,500/3,000 blinds, 150 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #23156521

    SB: 11,334 (3.8 bb)
    BB: 16,142 (5.4 bb)
    Hero (MP): 8,569 (2.9 bb)
    CO: 9,166 (3.1 bb)
    BTN: 22,289 (7.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with 5 K
    Hero raises to 8,419 and is all-in, CO raises to 9,016 and is all-in, 3 folds

    Flop: (22,088) 8 T T (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    Turn: (22,088) 4 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: (22,088) 4 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: 22,088 pot
    Final Board: 8 T T 4 4
    Hero showed 5 K and lost (-8,569 net)
    CO showed 6 A and won 22,088 (13,519 net)



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    I shoved as i thought i have some fold equity as well, next hand i will have no fold equity. ICIMIZER says push range for hero is 22%(44+, kto+,k9s, any ace suited).

    Was this a so obviuos fold?
    02-02-2014 , 05:36 PM
    I ran this in SNG Wiz and it was also shown to be a fold. I think the reasons for this are:

    - These programs also take into account the possibility that if you fold somebody else will shove and bust. This obviously adds to your equity.
    - They do NOT take into account the fact that you will eat the BB next hand and will almost certainly have to call a single shove with ATC due to pot odds.

    In game I think I would shove this as you did and just cross my fingers.
    02-02-2014 , 07:00 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by taipan168
    I ran this in SNG Wiz and it was also shown to be a fold. I think the reasons for this are:

    - These programs also take into account the possibility that if you fold somebody else will shove and bust. This obviously adds to your equity.
    - They do NOT take into account the fact that you will eat the BB next hand and will almost certainly have to call a single shove with ATC due to pot odds.

    In game I think I would shove this as you did and just cross my fingers.
    Considering the Avg. stack sizes i think if hero folds we are going to see a Showdown but i think someone going busto can happen, but realistaclly i hav e no fold equity next hand, so max. i guess i can push is one spot, from 5 to 4..I think this is correct shove...
    02-02-2014 , 08:28 PM
    With stacks so short any ICM program isn't going to be that accurate.

    It's close. I feel I push it if they were suited.

          
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