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10-11-2016 , 09:30 PM
The player it wasn't pressure as a big stack. But he definetly would have 3bet me preflop with strong Aces and I have two pairs that block some possibilities two him have a set (2) and some two pairs like A2. what about this hand ? on this flop I'm loosing for A5, 22,55 , and maybe some 34 with a flush draw that would play by this way. I don't think he would have AQ.

    Poker Stars, $0.91 Buy-in (800/1,600 blinds, 150 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37460591


    UTG: 34,743 (VPIP: 21.79, PFR: 16.01, 3Bet Preflop: 4.67, Hands: 319)
    MP: 44,949 (VPIP: 23.03, PFR: 17.34, 3Bet Preflop: 9.26, Hands: 182)
    CO: 50,434 (VPIP: 18.65, PFR: 16.84, 3Bet Preflop: 7.58, Hands: 194)
    BTN: 33,832 (VPIP: 26.25, PFR: 3.80, 3Bet Preflop: 3.03, Hands: 81)
    Hero (SB): 52,486
    BB: 53,556 (VPIP: 17.07, PFR: 12.74, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 165)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 2 Q
    4 folds, Hero raises to 3,392, BB calls 1,792

    Flop: (7,684) A Q 5 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BB bets 3,089, Hero calls 3,089

    Turn: (13,862) 2 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BB bets 6,653, Hero raises to 24,583, BB raises to 46,925 and is all-in, Hero calls 21,272 and is all-in

    River: (105,572) 6 (2 players, 2 are all-in)




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    Last edited by luizfecm; 10-11-2016 at 10:00 PM.
    10-11-2016 , 10:20 PM
    i would just check call turn and decide on river, most likely check call that one too
    10-12-2016 , 08:24 AM
    i would limp this pre. No reason to fight 2nd stack oop. If you want to raise, make it bigger as you give him too good of a price ip. I cant see myself folding much on the bb there. Flop is rather standard. Turn, I would x/r because I want to gii with this hand bvb and when 2nd fd opened. Yes, he will have you crushed some of a time, but ranges are super wide because of your sizing preflop that he could call with worse and you charge draws ott with a x/r.
    10-12-2016 , 01:12 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wanderer_pro
    i would limp this pre. No reason to fight 2nd stack oop. If you want to raise, make it bigger as you give him too good of a price ip. I cant see myself folding much on the bb there. Flop is rather standard. Turn, I would x/r because I want to gii with this hand bvb and when 2nd fd opened. Yes, he will have you crushed some of a time, but ranges are super wide because of your sizing preflop that he could call with worse and you charge draws ott with a x/r.
    I confess that I don't limp so much from sb I fold when I think the villain will resist by my steal (in this limits there are some players that over folds its not like in higher limits that players defends every blind), This villain had a fold from late position steal so high like (9/11), So I decided to raise, yes could be bigger. Would you limp call this hand ? is there any possibilitie to fold for his all in on turn ?? Do you limp all kinds of hands from sb? what are the advantages?
    10-13-2016 , 02:20 PM
    against nits raising is by far the best line. against solid regs i like a limp. fold is fine as well.
    10-14-2016 , 10:12 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by luizfecm
    I confess that I don't limp so much from sb I fold when I think the villain will resist by my steal (in this limits there are some players that over folds its not like in higher limits that players defends every blind), This villain had a fold from late position steal so high like (9/11), So I decided to raise, yes could be bigger. Would you limp call this hand ? is there any possibilitie to fold for his all in on turn ?? Do you limp all kinds of hands from sb? what are the advantages?
    im perfectly fine with limping the medium range here that it easy to play oop. Suited hands are perfect for this. I would raise/f and raise/c my bottom (with blockers) and top of my range. Limp everything in between. Limp/shoving hands like 22-77 and some broadways, mid Ax A7-AT seems fine to me. I would limp/f this particular combo and limp/c something like Q7s-QTs and probably limp/shove QJs+.

    I agree that some players will overfold on those stakes, but I doubt they would vs min raise. Fold to steal stat is not that relevant bvb IMO because he might fold vs LP steals quite a lot, but will not fold BB vs SB raise this size nearly as often. You give him too good of a price and he will be in position on every street. Advantages of limping majority of your range is that you can develop limp/f/c/shove strategy that is pretty easy to balance if you look at the combinatorics. I would sugest going through your whole range bvb (probably like 70-80% of hands) and pick hands you want to have in those 4 ranges. Print it out, learn and apply. Its gonna be diffucult to exploit if you are balanced. BVB spots are very common so it needs to be done if you want to be successful IMO.
    10-14-2016 , 10:14 AM
    ps. i dont think im folding this ever bvb. But im aware that my ego gets involved when playing bvb especially vs regs, so maybe some better regs can fold this.
    10-14-2016 , 03:33 PM
    when you say balanced. do you mean each of these limping ranges contain roughly the same amount of combos? Or do you mean that you defend your limps so that the big blind cant raise with any2 and show a profit?

    great post btw!
    10-15-2016 , 11:28 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Leia Amidala
    when you say balanced. do you mean each of these limping ranges contain roughly the same amount of combos? Or do you mean that you defend your limps so that the big blind cant raise with any2 and show a profit?

    great post btw!
    both actually cheers dude
    10-16-2016 , 06:17 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wanderer_pro
    both actually cheers dude
    thanks.
    ps. i am a girl fwiw :P
    10-16-2016 , 10:02 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Leia Amidala
    thanks.
    ps. i am a girl fwiw :P
    sorry lady
    10-19-2016 , 11:23 PM
    u should not be raising anything less than 2.65x bvb 3x in most cases vs competent opponents.

          
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