At the final table 8 left.

Stacks are not grossly out of proportion to each other. BTN is familiar and has been stealing and passive when confronted.
Most passive at the table and during the bubble. Targeted the BTN for a stop n go to pick up some chips.
With an Effective M was 10 or 12. Calling a raise in the BB with a SMP or Low cards would fit my image. He snap called instantly. No tank.

Was this a case of bad luck? Was the stop n go a poor choice here?
I didn't figure his hand was so big as I would have thought a raise for value is the best move at the FT.

Thoughts?


PokerStars - $4.10+$0.40|500/1000 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: 28,253.00
SB: 51,564.00
Hero (BB): 27,788.00
UTG: 29,594.00
UTG+1: 66,046.00
MP: 18,468.00
MP+1: 22,701.00
CO: 25,586.00

BTN posts ante 100.00, SB posts ante 100.00, Hero posts ante 100.00, UTG posts ante 100.00, UTG+1 posts ante 100.00, MP posts ante 100.00, MP+1 posts ante 100.00, CO posts ante 100.00, SB posts SB 500.00, Hero posts BB 1,000.00

Pre Flop: (2300.00) Hero has 7 9

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2,500.00, fold, Hero calls 1,500.00

Flop: (6300.00, 2 players) 5 4 K
Hero bets 25,188.00 and is all-in, BTN calls 25,188.00

Turn: (56676.00, 2 players) 3

River: (56676.00, 2 players) 5

Hero shows 7 9 (One Pair, Fives) (Pre 35%, Flop 5%, Turn 9%)
BTN shows A K (Two Pair, Kings and Fives) (Pre 65%, Flop 95%, Turn 91%)
BTN wins 56,676.00

WTF, this is the worst hand i ever seen...You call this a stop and go? Stop what, the brain?

Instead of hating, why not offer some wisdom as to why it is so bad.
Why don't you define stop n go for me. Standard at the table has been shoving, not reraising, if just raise the flop, he is shoving and I fold. I want the best chance to win the pot and I thought based on the players history he would shove a reraise.
If you just wanna flame, get lost. What you never made a dumbass shove?

Unnecessary.

About the hand, stop and gos are usually made when you have approximately 7-9BB effective (before posting). The reason for this is your stackot ratio is around 1:1 and your open shove on the flop is not an overbet.

The problem here is you are risking 25K to win 6K. When you are called you're close to dead. For simplicity let's assume you're 100% dead.

So to break even, you need him to fold 25/31 = 81% of the time, which is optimistic. And you need even more folds to actually show profit, not to mention any ICM considerations.

You are plenty deep enough to bluff. Depending on your history with villain, donking and check-raising the flop can have their merits and you'll still have plenty of room to fold. By making a small bet or raise you will achieve almost the same folds as your stop n go - possibly more as your stop n go looks weak and he'll be calling off with 88 a lot here.

Anyway, I fold pre the first time .

you mean you thought he wouldn't raise a good hand?
also as others said you are risking too much here. if you really want to try win this hand, 3-bet pre flop, lead smaller on the flop, c/r flop etc are all options. but chances are (no offense, of course) if you are making this play these plays will be all quite difficult for you to find good spots for so mostly try focus on some fundamentals for now, first imo.

gl

i usually dont lol reading comments, but wp.

cause you represent zero valuehands that would play this way and you have about zero equity when called

lol....omg just came out of bed and read this lol..sorry op dont wanna derail your thread .

for a stop an go you usually have like a postsize bet left on the flop, but not like 25BB

OP, don't worry, not everyone is a troll like this^ Most posters are actually quite helpful. If you do see any posts which you think need attention from a moderator, please click the report button to the left of the post.


As others have explained, a really ideal stack size for a stop and go here would be if you started the hand with 8 to 10 bb.

With 27 bb you have a fairly healthy stack and don't need to resort to such desperate measures. There's plenty of play left, and in this tourney, with its 15 minute blind levels, you have time on your side.

In this particular hand I think you should probably just fold 97o pre to his raise

at first i thought this was a level LOL

but this is clearly a fold pre-flop imo

Thanks for the comments and criticism.

Of course it's embarrassing to post. You didn't think it took balls to post!

Asking for legit criticism will help me from doing stupid things in the future.

With regards to flames, c'mon I am sure we have all shoved stupidly when sleep deprived before. I know it was stupid to risk so much for so little. Our brains can concoct elaborate reasoning to do something stupid when playing poker. For example I thought the loose passive nature of the BTN was good enough reason to shove any 2 on the flop, I was wrong and prolly won't next time, but I can assure you it isn't a level. It actually happened.

Hope your sunday was profitable.

that's it
and that's even more it
if you have a small stack then it's ok, but here I fold

the funniest thing about a stop and go is, that you usually flat and jam any flop
but if they hit the flop, they usually dont jam.

the whole concept is flawed, yes it worked 2007 or something when everyone was terrible.
nowadays you are better off folding/jamming pre with 5BBish.

i have no idea when i did a stop and go the last time, must be like 1 year ago.

today i just mpicked one up that made tons of stop and go with 20BB...was it you OP? i got HU with him..but dont ask me how he got there