Pretty sure this is a leak here, but what line do you take? is it just a 4B shove?? I cant see 4 bet folding here or flatting.. Cheers for the help

PokerStars - 10/20 Ante 3 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+2: 74.7 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
Hero (CO): 74.2 BB
BTN: 70.7 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 15.26, 3Bet Preflop: 7.38, Hands: 2,447)
SB: 63.2 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
BB: 74.7 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
UTG: 74.7 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
UTG+1: 67.2 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
MP: 91.05 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
MP+1: 84.55 BB (VPIP: 16.61, PFR: 14.51, 3Bet Preflop: 5.44, Hands: 1,507)

9 players post ante of 0.15 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.85 BB) Hero has J A

fold, fold, MP calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, BTN raises to 12 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold

BTN wins 11.85 BB

easy fold this early in a sng. you would need a very solid read on a villain that he is capable of bluffing this early. 18/15/7 is just not 3bet bluffing there enough ever

Agreed! To many blinds to 4bet shove here. Just fold.

Really easy fold here, fold move onto the next hand. No need to force plays and "create" spots that aren't there.

I know it sucks but AJo is too easily dominated by his 3-bet range, particularly the parts that are going to play big pots with AJo post flop, or call a 4-bet now.

Yes, he may have bluffs but it's normal poker that he can have bluffs if he also has enough value to protect them. You still can't call this when there is no good plan to play postflop.

Ok so at what stack size do you start considering a 4B shove here? I mean if were talking 35bb effective that can often be a 4b shove right??

Also when are we getting correct odds the flat the 4B? I assume if he'd have made it 8bb then that would be enough pot odds to justify making the call there..

Yes if they do it really small you can call and see what happens getting 4-1 or something.

But generally in the 3-bet-4-bet world this is just Ace-rag offsuit. He's never putting in lots more money with a worse Ace, either pre or post.

You probably have 30% equity against his actual hand. The trouble is that you don't know what your outs are. Is it the A (against KK) or the J (against AK)? So it's really hard to play post flop.

I wouldn't jam AJo 35BBs. The shorter he is the less fold equity you have, it doesn't really change much except make this move look more nutted. Suited broadways have more equity against the kinds of hands he 4-bet calls than AJo does, so I'd start building my range with them.

The blocker effect depends if we think he's 3-bet folding suited wheel aces. If he is then we don't really have any blocking effect against his calling range relative to his folding range (aces being well represented in both ranges) - if he does then calling in the hope to hit an A-high flop would seems viable but their still only a small part of his range relative to AK, AQo, JJ+ etc.

If we do have 2 legit blockers (against his calling range relative to a suited connector type bluffing range) then it helps but again the KQs type stuff has 2 legit blockers too, and it isn't crushed if called.

Here's what I mean by this.

Against a 50% (Bloch Jam) range AJo is the 14th best hand we can have (out of 168)
It proceeds
40% 13th
30% 12th
25% 12th
20% 13th
15% 14th
10% 14th
8% 14th
6% 20th
4% 26th
3% 33rd
2% 127th

So as ranges get narrower, our ability to dominate weaker aces becomes less important and our hand just becomes weaker generally.

This is why it feels like sucks. We may well have the 14th best possible hand we could have against villains range now, but anything that narrows that range (whether 4-betting or general post flop play) rapidly makes our hand plummet in value.

In 85% cases : FOLD (as it's best play against most opponents)
In 10% cases : CALL (only against players proven to be loose aggro)
In 5% : GET IN (against players proven to be crazy bananas)