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Old 08-03-2012, 03:50 AM   #1
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Early Stakes JJ in blinds vs UTG reg

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (25/50 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
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SB: 1,610 (32.2 bb)
Hero (BB): 1,435 (28.7 bb)
UTG+1: 1,575 (31.5 bb)
UTG+2: 1,455 (29.1 bb)
MP1: 415 (8.3 bb)
MP2: 1,338 (26.8 bb)
MP3: 1,187 (23.7 bb)
CO: 1,545 (30.9 bb)
BTN: 2,940 (58.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J J
UTG+1 raises to 125, 7 folds, Hero?

UTG player is reg. 3bet-fold? / 3bet-4betCall / 3bet jam? / Call from OOP?
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Old 08-03-2012, 05:02 AM   #2
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Re: Early Stakes JJ in blinds vs UTG reg

I would flat and decide on the flop..
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Old 08-03-2012, 05:18 AM   #3
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Re: Early Stakes JJ in blinds vs UTG reg

Anything other than flatting would be horrible IMO.
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Old 08-03-2012, 05:34 AM   #4
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Re: Early Stakes JJ in blinds vs UTG reg

If we 3bet we are going only isolate us against better hands. And I don´t believe his UTG opening - fold 3bet range is enough wide so 3bet-folding is not good.

And ofc 3bet for value isn´t good also

Flät. We are OOP (we cant control the pot etc) Villain has the same range still so we are good here. He is going to bet cbet most of the time so I would call cbet if my JJ is over pair on the flop. Turn I dont believe he is going to bet 2barrel with AK type of hands. If the texture is good I could donk-fold the turn for value against hands like AK/AQ. If it is not good I just check-fold because I don´t believe reg is going to 2barrel with AK type of hands.
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Old 08-03-2012, 08:20 AM   #5
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Re: Early Stakes JJ in blinds vs UTG reg

Such a pasive way to play the 4th strongest hand preflop in poker, i need reads not to 3bet this hand. Beside we´re not even nearly deep enough to setmine here. I would even 3bet shove or 3bet commit but never flatting.
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Old 08-03-2012, 08:44 AM   #6
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Re: Early Stakes JJ in blinds vs UTG reg

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Such a pasive way to play the 4th strongest hand preflop in poker, i need reads not to 3bet this hand. Beside we´re not even nearly deep enough to setmine here. I would even 3bet shove or 3bet commit but never flatting.
Considering a 6% opening ranges from villain (88+, AJs+, AQo) and a 3.3% calling range (JJ+, AQs+, AKo) we have 38.38% equity vs that range and...

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Old 08-03-2012, 11:36 AM   #7
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Considering a 6% opening ranges from villain (88+, AJs+, AQo) and a 3.3% calling range (JJ+, AQs+, AKo) we have 38.38% equity vs that range and...

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Agreed. I would need a good read not to jam under 30 bigs with JJ here when everyone else is folded and we are up against only the original raiser.
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Old 08-03-2012, 02:12 PM   #8
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Re: Early Stakes JJ in blinds vs UTG reg

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Anything other than flatting would be horrible IMO.
Apologies I thought we are still in the first blind level.
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Considering a 6% opening ranges from villain (88+, AJs+, AQo) and a 3.3% calling range (JJ+, AQs+, AKo) we have 38.38% equity vs that range and...

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I think the resteal table posted above has some errors in it. Shouldn't the top row be the current pot (i.e. 200?). Because our stack when we get folds shouldn't be >3000.

Think I'm flatting here personally. The stack to pot ratio will be ok for us to call a flop bet on most boards and reassess.
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Old 08-03-2012, 08:34 PM   #10
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I think the resteal table posted above has some errors in it. Shouldn't the top row be the current pot (i.e. 200?). Because our stack when we get folds shouldn't be >3000.

Think I'm flatting here personally. The stack to pot ratio will be ok for us to call a flop bet on most boards and reassess.
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Old 08-03-2012, 08:39 PM   #11
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Getting it in pre is still probably +cEV. Post the table again with the correct opening pot? I think it will still be +cEV, but not 18bbs worth .
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Old 08-03-2012, 08:49 PM   #12
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Re: Early Stakes JJ in blinds vs UTG reg

Yeah break-evenish.

I back myself to play this more profitably when I flat.
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Old 08-04-2012, 02:58 PM   #14
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Re: Early Stakes JJ in blinds vs UTG reg

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Such a pasive way to play the 4th strongest hand preflop in poker, i need reads not to 3bet this hand. Beside we´re not even nearly deep enough to setmine here. I would even 3bet shove or 3bet commit but never flatting.
playing passively is not a crime but the right thing to do in a lot of spots and set mining is such a minor part of the flat that it could easily be ignored completely. any 3b action besides shove seems absurd to me, but i'd def consider flatting to be maxEV.
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280/c
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