No info on anyone except guy who shoved who is a super loose fish with a vpip around 75.

fold

I like to shove pre against such loosetards , cause the limp call sooo W I D E at these stakes, not even funny. As played, again, I wouldnt mind check-jamming to that stack here just cause of the stakes, some people just dont take it seriously enough. I feel if you are playing that tight in these stakes, you probably are loosing money. Widen your range just a tad bit and see how it works out.

the problem is that I did a 7BB preflop bet (which I admit could, and probobly against such loose fish, SHOULD be larger.) And then got into a spot where I either had to cbet into 4 players which i can't agree with, and then reshoving on a spewy player into 3 other players again for my whole stack. I elected to fold but I just wanted some feedback on possible mistakes along the way.

raise pre 3x+1BB per limper to 120, bet flop (pot would be 500) so ~40% about 200-220 as a feeler bet, and call remaining 200 vs the fish because his range here is so wide (not only A but also a FD - but we have the Kc which could give us a backdoor flush if he hits his OTT, straight draw, medium PP, single pair, it may be even a hand like Q7cc/J7cc because he has vpip of 75%).

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.662% 47.66% 00.00% 113716 0.00 { KcKd }
Hand 1: 52.338% 52.34% 00.00% 124874 0.00 { TT-22, AJs-A2s, Q7s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 87s, AJo-A2o, T9o, 98o }


I hate shoving pre here because we are losing a lot of value (however showing against him with KK would be profitable in the long run) and we have 3 more players in the pot that we could extract value from after the flop if our hand seems to be best.

You have to play tight-aggro in these stakes, this is the only way to get profit because the guys are playing such wide ranges. We play tight aggro throughout, become a loose-tard on the bubble, and avoid playing nitty. #recipeforsuccess :P

When thinking about your preflop bet size, it is best not to follow a formula but work out what effect you are after when making the bet. You need to a little intuition as to what you think the players will respond to given the culture of how the players are betting.

Obviously your preflop raise did not achieve the desired effect because all three players stayed in. With retrospect, you should have raised more to reduce the number of hands drawing against you. On the otherside of the coin, you don't want to raise it so high that someone would never make a big mistake by calling you.

Without more information on how the table was playing I could only make a rough guess that maybe 200 would have been a better bet.

The whole 3bb+1 for every limper works best for when you're in position, out of position, at these stakes I like to make it a little more expensive.

I think a 160-200 raise preflop is good, but c-betting that flop into 3 other players is pretty bad, not only because it's a tad committing with these stack sizes but also because betting will gain me no info on the strength of my hand. An opponent's call and reshove can be done with a wide range of Aces, Straight and Flush draws among other things and I'd rather not call off most or all of my stack against so many potential opponents.

if you're planning not to call off your stack then don't raise to 200 pre, they will call you every time (believe me, I play these stakes). I don't hate check post vs 3 players (we basically want to see a flop without an Ace or we want to hit a set), but I think I would call the short-spewtard and isolate because his range is so wide here and we have the odds (40% and I think we have more than 40% against him). If any of the other two players bet post we could assume they have the Ace