PokerStars - $6.42+$0.58|10/20 Ante 3 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 94.9 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
MP+1: 73.9 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
MP+2: 72.9 BB (VPIP: 14.81, PFR: 12.86, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 81)
CO: 72.9 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
Hero (BTN): 72.9 BB
SB: 58.95 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 66.67, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 4)
BB: 74.4 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
UTG: 74.4 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
UTG+1: 79.75 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 4)

9 players post ante of 0.15 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.85 BB) Hero has Q Q

UTG raises to 2 BB, fold, MP calls 2 BB, fold, MP+2 calls 2 BB, fold, Hero raises to 15.85 BB, fold, fold, fold, MP calls 13.85 BB, fold

Flop: (38.55 BB, 2 players) 7 Q 4
MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: (38.55 BB, 2 players) 5
MP bets 10 BB, Hero raises to 24.25 BB, MP calls 14.25 BB

River: (87.05 BB, 2 players) 3
MP bets 16 BB, Hero calls 16 BB

Why do we think he's a fish?

If you are worried on the flop that you have the deck crippled but he's too bad not to play fit-or-fold on Q74r, then maybe just be 1/5 pot to give him an extra chance to spew.

On the wet turn jam the last 50 in the the 58.55.

Thanks for your response, ive read some of your responses to other threads and I appreciate your opinion.
Do you not think we lose to much value by shoving the turn vs his range.
I mean 6x, turned flush drawers and 2 pairs are the only hands in his range that have any real equity vs us but we probably only getting called by his 2 pair and lower sets. and really with my large raise pre there really shouldnt be many/any 2 pairs in his range on this board.
what about hands like a7, a4s, aq, kq, qjs and pocket pairs 88-qq we just fold all this out which we have in such bad shape/ drawing dead?
Think maybe I should of raised the turn bigger but not shoved, maybe to 28bb? making it a greater error for him to call?
I like the idea ( although i never do it) of the 1/5 bet vs a lag but early indicator are he is a lap. Ill look for spots to try this.
The fish comment is misleading as although i suspected after just 4 hands. it was only confirmed post hand.

They can always find reasons to call if there is a draw they can convince themselves you're on - I would say Queens (not that I think he's got many) and 88-JJ call here as well as NFD. 7s, and any pair+OESD Making drawing hands fold out their equity in the pot is not a disaster anyway, and you're not getting money from the weakest hands.

Pre good

Flop, I don't mind the check.

Turn - your raise is too small. I probably jam.

Keep your lines consistent, play textures like you have anything in your pre repop range. {What do you do with TT on that flop? AQ? AKdd?}

Flop lead is indistinguishable from c-bet. 2/5-1/2, not a touch more.

If he limp-rai your oversize pre repop, he'll float a ton so you get value even from top set.

Check turn to induce riv lead from him, call that river, he's not always got the 6.

If I didnt think he was a fish I would of c bet. im not concerend with having balanced ranges with this player if initial reads are correct for him. so i think it is fine to analyse this hand in isolation.

If you have a read that he's a fish, then I would be betting and re-raising every street if he leads out and for as much value as you can. V's such as this as you can see have a hard time laying down any kind of draw, pair etc. I know it's a dry board, but vs fish I would still value bet OTF as he might even think Ace high is good.

While his play in this hand looks fishy preflop, don't go over board with reads after 5 hands.

I do take your point.
I do believe i do this to some extent when i have a new table open and my other tables are more progressed.
In this example I had already labbeled him a fish. and i dont do this on vpip/pfr alone after just 5h so he would of had to made an action that made no sense like min rr a family pot. or limp fold to min rr. Unfortunately i dont know what this is as i was multi tabling 6 tables at the time, perhaps this means i should be playing 4 not 6. time will tell.
I presumed this guy was a fish i mean in the actual hand he limps then calls a rather massive raise from my self and also he has a 60 vpip. yes its 5 hands but its an early indicator he is a fish when taking into account his other actions.

In the HH he doesn't limp, he flats an UTG raise then calls your massive 3-bet. Which is also fishy play by him.

^ URagnatha.