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Benefits of Non-Allin-Allins Benefits of Non-Allin-Allins

10-22-2016 , 10:07 AM
I watched some Couchings of Collin Moshman whoe sometime uses "Non-Allin-Allins" where you shove almost all your chips exept a few.

What are the pros of this move?
- It looks stronger!?
- Does villian sometimes fold on the flop even if he has potodds of about 1:10!?

Please tell me more about this move!
10-22-2016 , 02:17 PM
Skews f23b, masstablers sometimes don't pay attention and fish can fold postflop.
10-23-2016 , 10:51 AM
Some players are multi-tasking and are not paying close enough attention. I was playing a game yesterday where I meant to raise all-in but left myself with 3 chips. I get called and bet my remainder 3 chips post-flop and the other player folds.
10-26-2016 , 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerfresse
What are the pros of this move?

- It looks stronger!?
Maybe but I would imagine that the top players are balanced in terms of when they do it - i.e. they do it with the same balance of stronger and weaker hands they would use when going all in properly.

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Originally Posted by streetwalkincheeta
Skews f23b.
^ I think this is the main reason.

Also if your own internet connection is rock-solid and other people sometimes disconnect there is a chance they fold or timeout postflop.

Also very occasionally it checks through postflop and the seemingly insignificant number of chips gets a 8:1 flip against maybe only a couple of hands for the antes and we've all seen people recover from those kinds of positions before.
10-26-2016 , 02:51 PM
Pros:
Mass multitablers might fold because they are not paying enough attention.

Cons:
One extra click(bad for multitabling)
Chance of missclicking and folding to a re-raise.
Chance of folding because of connection issues.

I pesonally prefer to be able to play more tables than having that really small extra fold equity, but I've seen some good regs doing this.
10-28-2016 , 07:20 AM
may it worked in 2012
10-29-2016 , 02:37 PM
This is a strategy that has no logic to it what so ever so you shove what like everything but 500 chips and that does?


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10-29-2016 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Pokerisfu
This is a strategy that has no logic to it what so ever so you shove what like everything but 500 chips and that does?


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I think OP is talking about more like everything but 20 chips but I might be wrong. Obviously it gives you a fake fold to 3-bet stat.
10-30-2016 , 12:07 AM
Another benefit of this is that if you do it in a live ring game (not on the river obviously), you can let the villain make the AI bet and then the villain has to show their hand first.
10-30-2016 , 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by AALegend
Another benefit of this is that if you do it in a live ring game (not on the river obviously), you can let the villain make the AI bet and then the villain has to show their hand first.


Still pretty useless I have seen the old timers do this unintentionally live when they have a big hand because instead of counting the pot and Betting accordingly they just grab a stack and leave like 30 bucks behind. This play is pointless


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11-05-2016 , 07:40 PM
Just building fake Fold to 3bet stat....
11-20-2016 , 09:45 PM
There are rare occasions in a bubble scenario where you can raise non all-in all-in rather than shove. If you're the short stack and raise non all-in all-in and there are multiple re-shoves behind, you can now fold as it's likely that one of the other opponents will bust or have their stack severely crippled, and you will most likely make it ITM.
11-23-2016 , 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Harambee
There are rare occasions in a bubble scenario where you can raise non all-in all-in rather than shove. If you're the short stack and raise non all-in all-in and there are multiple re-shoves behind, you can now fold as it's likely that one of the other opponents will bust or have their stack severely crippled, and you will most likely make it ITM.
yeah, 6max hypers etc. Tonka does it all the time for those reasons exactly.
11-28-2016 , 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by playr
may it worked in 2012
This
11-28-2016 , 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Harambee
There are rare occasions in a bubble scenario where you can raise non all-in all-in rather than shove. If you're the short stack and raise non all-in all-in and there are multiple re-shoves behind, you can now fold as it's likely that one of the other opponents will bust or have their stack severely crippled, and you will most likely make it ITM.
In 180 man with there structures making ITM is never that big a deal. Maybe its different in 45 man to some extent ?
12-06-2016 , 01:28 AM
It's a more common scenario in 6 and 9-man SNGs where only 2 or 3 people make it ITM. 45/90/180 mans the min-cash isn't as important when all the money is up top.

      
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