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Originally Posted by emitnulB
3b/call and call are both reasonable. I'm not really going to discus how to proceed on the flop because there's like a million different scenarios that can arise.
It's true but we can still make analysis about the flop
And we also will have to make decisions anyways so we should know how we will deal with it otherwise how can we say flatting is profitable?
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Originally Posted by MasterJ009
How can shoving 26BB here ever be bad?
I think the idea was its too strong to just shove?
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OR is aggro, shortie goes allin and we have a monster 4handed.
3bet/fold is so bad it's funny with 26bb and AQs.
3bet/call is only good if we stack off with 100% of our range.
Something not mentioned about flatting is that the bb is likely to over call, and then we are 3 way. Its really hard for bb to 3bet shove light in this spot so we prob never induce a squeeze.
About the flop. If we choose to flat, and see a flop, 3 random cards come, and we are in the same exact position as preflop. Sometimes we hit an A or a K or fd with over, and sometimes we hit air, but if you average them together you get close to the same equity as preflop (same essential ranges vs a random flip to see a flop right?) and we really don't save ourselves a difficult decision.
We can't really x/shove overs on the flops, so its really tough to do any kind of bluffing, and floating gives us the same issue, we see a turn in the dark with air and a lot of icm pressure oop.
So I think we can easily talk about postlop and shouldn't get overwhelmed by the possibilities because a lot of them we can put into patterns.