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I would like some comments to this hand - "calling my raise villians" is fish, but 3 bettor is a good reg supernova and with agressive regish stats 26/24/7,6 over 71 hands ....

I raise 3x pre for value, and is ready to GII against most of the table... but the odd action with 2 callers of the raise and then a 3 bet from a good aggro player gives me a little to think about...

With too players behind i choose to just call and try to se a flop ... i think 1 or both callers come along enough of the time to give med the right odds to hit..

They both fold and im heads up ..

Flop is mehh with no hit and to overs .... Villlian donks ...

Im like ... i think i could be best/splitting so i try to come to showdown ...

Villian shoves ...

I didnt have a good plan for the hand postflop ... witch is a mistake...
Im sure i didnt play this optimally, but need help to see where i did the wrong thing ?

these spots are sort of gross, shoving is okay pre so long as villain isnt a super nit because the pot is already so big. but other wise as played is okay aswell, cant really fold to that small flop cbet and then we need to fold turn

Yep, I think this is a close one pre. Given the low 3bet I think we generally want to flat most of our continuing range IP. But AKo plays quite bad postflop and does well as a shove (dominated only by AA, KK which we block). So I would probably lean towards shoving pre against this aggro villain, especially when there is possibility of going multiway on the flop, if we would call.

As played, flop and turn well played imo.

4-bet all-in pre IMHO. The callers give you more reason to do it not less.

Either they are extra dead money or ideally one will call you. AK is a good hand to get all-in 3-way as one of the other people will be drawing thin (either a worse non-paired hand than AK or if both have pairs then the lower pair.)

Thanks for advice guys...

I appreciate any answar or effort to try and help me.....so thanks for that ....but i have to disagree on the "shove pre" advice...

I think i didnt shove pre because i thought something like " im not ahead enough of the time to shove - but Ak is to strong to fold" ....

Villian is not a fish... there are one raiser and to callers and we are early in the sng.... what would he 3 bet ??
I would raise something like JJ+ AK ... maybe even flat AK or JJ with 3 people in already..

He is getting a almost perfect situation to setmine 22-1010(jj) so why would he raise those ?
That leave AQ and AJ as hands we beat .... but honestly .. would you 3 bet those in to a raiser and 2 callers ?
Bluffs ? I dont see many regs bluff this early in the game.. so i dont count them in .... And that leads me to :

We are always crushed or if lucky splitting if he calls our 4 bet shove imo..
So why shove? I really cant se myself shove pre and beeing + cev - but i could be wrong...

Well you know the player pool. Can I ask, in this spot would the regs in this player pool consider folding hands as strong as AK in your position?

If so then I hope you are bluffing all the time from the SB with this kind of prior action.

About AJ - it basically is a bluff if he raised it. We shouldn't really have a calling range in the middle (except for the set mining in this specific spot), so our 3-bet-call range and our 3-bet-fold ranges sit next to each other.

I'm getting this in pre at this stack depth against the villain described. I would see more merits to flatting if we were say 80bb++ deep

I dont think a lot of players fold AK preflop .... however if action goes :
Nit raises, reg reraises and som other nit/reg 4 bets AI at 10/20 level ... Most regs would fold AK (and QQ) ... Because you know your behind almost always...

People tend to overplay AK and forget its not a made hand imo...

My position is akward in this hand because im the raiser , gets double flattet and then 3 bet.... its a "in between spot" as i would always shove/Flart a single 3 bet ....

@ the "GII pre" voters :
What range do you put our villlan on preflop in this spot ?

I tried this in HRC. Unfortunately it can't do a 4-way pot but I added 11 to the ante to get an extra 88 of dead money to represent the extra caller.

Basically the shove is narrowly +EV (compared to folding) if we fix villain's 3-bet as QQ, AQs+, AKo. It obviously gets better as he gets wider.
We shove: 2.1%, KK+ AKs AKo
He calls: 2.6%, QQ+ AKs AKo (note he's priced in to call with almost anything he 3-bets).

I don't like flatting. Playing "guess if he has KK+" with a capped range is no more fun post-flop than pre-flop.

4b shoving this with that action pre. I think we can add some more combos to SB's 3-betting range here.

As played, postflop seems fine.

agree its less fun
Thanx for the calculations. I was a bit surpriced and It made me make my own in ICIMIZER and its a matter of including AQs
I took AQs out and replaced it with JJ which i think i prefer if im villian...
2 passive villians is getting a callrange of 8 % and Continuation if i push of 3 % (JJ+ AK)
And then its only QQ+ that is + ev ...

Either way its a close spot
But i copy that most people think this is a shove ..
Thanx for all inputs and help

I think the "average" player has both JJ and AQs as well as a number of other hands for value and bluff.

Another thing to think about is how much less likely some hands are for your opponent to have here. You block AA and KK, and given that people don't like to fold Ax pre, it's possible one of the flatters also had an A, and the same can be said about people flatting behind with hands like KQ, KJ, etc. So the likelihood that the SB is 3 betting you with AA or KK here given you have AK is actually pretty low. Now ask yourself if you knew AA and KK were not very likely to be in his squeeze range, how would you feel then about 4bet shoving pre?