Hey guys I have AJs with 15bb and was wondering if this is a 3B shove spot or just too risky to walk to a good hand..

UTG raiser is a reg with 16/13 over 340 hands and a steal of 23%
My biggest concern was that he was trying to induce..
Dont have notes on him if he is mr folding much..
Shall we just let this one go and wait for a better spot?

What is your 3B shove range here?


(sorry for my english)

guess i would go with 77+ AJs+ AQo+ KQs
he is raising into 3 players he has to call, so he should not be too light, even though it is shorthanded.
if he could still fodl to these players i would go a little wider

nothing wrong with the jam i think. if you take a look at his early pos. open % and if you know he raise folds from early you can open the range up even abit more but the one bubble gave above is good i think

My guess is it's probably a fold.
Villain should only be doing this with his worse and best hands, he should be shoving his medium hands for max fold equity (but maybe he doesn't know that).
He's less likely to do this with bad hands because he has a small stack, so a bit less pressure on the table and he has everyone acting behind him.

You might catch him with a worse hand some of the time, but most of the time I think we're beaten pretty hard.


I tried ICMing this stuff, but it went wrong somewhere :P
If I put villain on a 30% range, we could shove 50% of our hands with everyone behind on a 8% call range.
If I put villain on a 10% range, our shove range becomes only 4.5% with the worst hand being AQs.
I actually think villain will be around 10% or even tighter here.

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100% agree with this
never folding AJs here

And you think he(or any solid player) will shove medium hands with 18BBs?

pretty sure 22-77 with 18bb with 6 behind is unexploitable
might be slightly exploitable but probably not
I would sometimes shove this and sometimes not, depending on my image, mostly not though
definetly shoving AQ+ and 77+
only minraising TT/JJ+

same for AT+, I wouldn't play anything worse here
and while we do beat AT, that is the only hand in villains range (if I were villain) we beat

unexploitable, but not max. ev

wrong

why?

I never like 18BBs eff shove but ok.

I wouldn't do it often either.
Only if ppl at my table havn't seen me play a hand for ages and if the table is pretty nitty.

This, folding AJs at this spot is like burning money

someone who would shove this, please tell me what range you would make the minbet with if you were MP1
then tell me again you would shove AJs on his ass

55+ A9s+ ATo+ KJs+ KQo without reads, when the blinds seem tight-ish going for any pair and a couple of more broadways.

shoving AJs everyday of the week and twice sundays

With such exploitable players folding even AJs and blinds with nothing else than reshove stacks,mp1 should be opening a ton of his range. If u are folding AJs in such spot then i wonder with wich hands you would shove.....

I think its close
MP1 could well be opening with worse
But not much worse

I honestly think if I am Hero it is a shove and hope for the best situation

Good luck at the tables

Ok thank you all for the good comments. Now I know I did the right thing.

a few guys here telling you it's the right thing doesn't make it the right thing
put MP1 on a range and see how AJs does against that range ...

from MP1's point of view:
my range for minraising in that spot is AQs and better, so should yours be
if you minraise worse hands you're leaking money
our stack is in no condition to be trying fancy minraises with bad hands
I'm probably even shoving AQs & AK and only minraising with 99+ and calling down everyone & anything ...

So you are saying that you will not be minraising 77+ and ATs?

Never open shoving AK AQs. U have to give your opponents the opportunity to reshove weaher aces kq kj etc.

In this situation as MP1 I'm open shoving AQ & AK, probably ATs and AJo too, for max fold equity. I'd rather take down the pot than minraise and have to fold to a 3bet.
Higher stack size means tighter shove range though.

I'm not minraising 22-88 here, just shoving those too.

I only want action when I actually got a hand that can stand the heat.
I'd rather lay down hands in between since there's a pretty high chance to get shoved on if we minraise.

There's no need to force a flip with 15bb left imo. So I'd rather take higher FE and take down the blinds and antes with a shove.

Only minraising with JJ-AA here, so against me shoving would be a horrible play.

If say we had 20bb+ and our stack was way above the table average or the table was playing really nitty, a minraise with worse hands could be ok.
In this case it's not though imo.


Since most of you seem to be minraising with a much wider range in MP1's place (which is -EV imo) it might be a correct move to shove as Hero here, I still wouldn't though.

Sorry, but that's pure nonsense. It's okay you are giving your own opinion, but that doesn't make it necessarily right. Everybody got his own playing style and most of the styles aren't good or wrong but in a somewhat grey area. I know lots of players who minraise awkward sized stacks UTG in this spot and those guys CRUSH the games. Vs those guys shoving AJs is like a no brainer, where vs guys like you it's probably a snap fold.

This spot is just super villain dependent and without stat info and tendencies/metagame there is just no clear answer what to do here. My advice in spots like this is when you in clear doubt, just make a nitty fold.

i'm trying to say this as nice as possible, but this just does not make any sense.

honestly: i have a strong opinion as well, but you really need to accepted what other guys are saying and always question your own game.
this is the best way to crush the limits.

this is the wrong way: