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A6 Final Table - Committed on flop or not? A6 Final Table - Committed on flop or not?

07-26-2014 , 09:33 AM
PokerStars - $13.77+$1.23|1250/2500 Ante 250 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 8.1 BB (VPIP: 17.24, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 29)
UTG: 19.55 BB (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 5)
UTG+1: 11.76 BB (VPIP: 17.39, PFR: 21.05, 3Bet Preflop: 28.57, Hands: 23)
MP: 10.28 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 23.53, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
MP+1: 15.14 BB (VPIP: 17.76, PFR: 16.15, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 154)
Hero (CO): 17.62 BB
BTN: 15.26 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 36.84, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 21)
SB: 10.28 BB (VPIP: 19.15, PFR: 18.60, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 47)

8 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.3 BB) Hero has 6 A

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 1 BB

Flop: (5.3 BB, 2 players) K J J
BB checks, Hero bets 15.52 BB and is all-in, BB calls 6 BB and is all-in

Turn: (17.3 BB, 2 players) 6

River: (17.3 BB, 2 players) T

Spoiler:
BB shows 8 J (Three of a Kind, Jacks) (Pre 41%, Flop 98%, Turn 100%)
Hero shows 6 A (Two Pair, Jacks and Sixes) (Pre 59%, Flop 2%, Turn 0%)
BB wins 17.3 BB
07-26-2014 , 09:53 AM
I think bb tried stop and go,but he got 2jacks,so i like check behind in this spot,and fold on turn...
07-26-2014 , 11:00 AM
If you raise this pre this should mean you would call an allin from SB or BB pre, right?

I would make a smaller c-bet to give him a chance to (semi)bluff this flop, but never folding on this flop.
07-26-2014 , 06:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skomi11
I think bb tried stop and go,but he got 2jacks,so i like check behind in this spot,and fold on turn...
Sick read bro
07-26-2014 , 09:53 PM
give the range that he called with
I was worried against Kx or small pair
J was really super unlikely
07-27-2014 , 04:35 AM
jam or fold pre.
I'd jam pre.
07-27-2014 , 08:32 AM
BTN: 15.26 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 36.84, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 21)
jam pre? BTN is quite big stack

I min raise so that I might fold to btn shove
but will call the other 2 small stacks
07-27-2014 , 10:09 AM
even though he is loose, Btn will have tough time calling wide for his tourney life. If he happens to pick up a hand, thats unlucky but we are still guaranteed ~30% equity minimum unless he wakes up with aces.

It will be very tough to play post flop with A6s against an 8 or 10 BB effective stack which will open jam any piece or draw otf.

I prefer to just jam it if I decide to play it with those stack sizes.
07-27-2014 , 10:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aboulleil
even though he is loose, Btn will have tough time calling wide for his tourney life. If he happens to pick up a hand, thats unlucky but we are still guaranteed ~30% equity minimum unless he wakes up with aces.

It will be very tough to play post flop with A6s against an 8 or 10 BB effective stack which will open jam any piece or draw otf.

I prefer to just jam it if I decide to play it with those stack sizes.
It depends on BTN if you know he 3-bets(shove) light I prefer to jam this pre, if he doesn't I think a raise will make it almost as tough as a jam and we could get away if btn picked up a monster.
07-28-2014 , 05:19 AM
openjamming is terrible, i rather or/f to the BB than openjamming.

i think we all agree that we never fold A high with potsize left, but what about checking behind to induce?
with jamming the flop we are not getting anything better to fold and it is hard to get called by worse than straight draws.

with checking behind we allow him to jam his 98s and stuff (or whatever he is calling with this stack) what otherwise would fold to a jam on the flop
07-28-2014 , 06:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aboulleil
jam or fold pre.
I'd jam pre.
open shove seems really bad
07-28-2014 , 05:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pipi486
open shove seems really bad
What if we had the stack of the BTN, would it be wrong to shove this hand?
07-28-2014 , 08:18 PM
if effective stacks were 10 BB or less, yeah shove would be great

      
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