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04-18-2017 , 07:02 AM
Was that a good push? hrc tells to fold and the icm tool Implemented in PT4 tels to push. Who to believe ?

PokerStars - 300/600 Ante 50 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 26.86 BB (VPIP: 13.92, PFR: 10.39, 3Bet Preflop: 7.28, Hands: 396)
Hero (MP+1): 8.81 BB
CO: 16.1 BB (VPIP: 18.95, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 3.33, Hands: 100)
BTN: 34.76 BB (VPIP: 40.74, PFR: 24.00, 3Bet Preflop: 18.75, Hands: 27)
SB: 35.64 BB (VPIP: 16.90, PFR: 13.59, 3Bet Preflop: 3.95, Hands: 216)
BB: 23.69 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 17.07, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 127)
UTG: 37.04 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
UTG+1: 42.1 BB (VPIP: 21.57, PFR: 19.19, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 104)

8 players post ante of 0.08 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.17 BB) Hero has 6 8

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 8.73 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, SB raises to 35.56 BB and is all-in, fold

Flop: (19.13 BB, 2 players) 4 A 8

Turn: (19.13 BB, 2 players) 2

River: (19.13 BB, 2 players) 4

SB shows 9 9 (Two Pair, Nines and Fours)
(Pre 82%, Flop 55%, Turn 70%)
Hero shows 6 8 (Two Pair, Eights and Fours)
(Pre 18%, Flop 45%, Turn 30%)
SB wins 19.13 BB
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04-18-2017 , 07:30 AM
You don't have to worry about ICM when you are on last place with such a shallow stack. The money that ICM gives you is pretty much the 8th place cash. You should push chip EV wise. Anyway I don't think that this is a +cEV push. Your PT4 might be configured with unrealistic tight calling ranges for villains behind. Check that and run again that you might get a fold from software.

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04-18-2017 , 10:11 AM
Gut feel - I'd be in no rush to shove here, even without looking at the software. There are just going to be better spots coming up, even with an 9bb stack and I don't want to throw away the chance to ladder up for such a marginal +cEV situation. You can't totally disregard ICM even it is was showing as thinly +cEV

If I was on the button I might shove it but I need more of a hand to be shoving from MP given the ICM considerations and some aggressive big stacks behind (probably A8+, KJ+ and any pair for starters - 16%). The significance of the aggressive big stacks being both that they can call off my shove without it hurting them too badly, but even more so that the aggressive Button is quite likely to attempt to steal if folded to him, and could end up running into a hand or a resteal - which could lead to a player being eliminated if we're lucky
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04-18-2017 , 10:58 AM
fold pre
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04-18-2017 , 02:23 PM
I don't think you can expect to ladder up as, with the BB set to 600, I suspect there are still 2 tables playing.

There is always some icm present but as the smaller stack and 2 tables it will have little effect.

I would say that as the players will be playing incorrectly too tight it would get this 86s hand to about break even.

There isn't much time left to get it in, you don't really want to have to slip though the blinds as then when next on the Btn you would only then have about 7bb and a double up isn't quite as big as a current double up with 8.8bb.

So it's so close, I would probably fold but any other info like if you had seen overly tight behavior would persuade me otherwise. For me here I doubt if pushing or folding has much of an impact on your long term roi. (This is all assuming that there are 16 or 17 players left)

If it is the final table I would def fold even though they may call a little tighter as then the chance of laddering does matter quite a bit.
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