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Originally Posted by Kurt Beefstick
If you put aside the bad play up to the river....try and park it in a ormant part of your brain for now.......as played.....is the river shove generally bad too?
When I called turn it was only to bluff, although hitting the straight would probably have caused me to slow down.
Td looks like the ideal card - either I am completely dead in the water or Villain has to be scared of a boat or a flush. even Jd has to be worried I have K or Q.
Maybe this will just never work at these stakes. Or it's just a ****e move
Well the question when you bomb the river is, "What are you representing?" There's almost 0% chance you have a boat, since a set on the flop never checks back turn on this board. And a made flush almost never checks turn either, board has lots of ways someone will call. So all you can rep are hands like AK/AQ with Kd or Qd, or KQ/KJ with a diamond.
But then you have to ask, what does V have that he made an admittedly weak minraise on flop, followed by bet on turn? He almost certainly has either of the hands you hope to rep, boat or flush. Against a reg, I think your play is mucho spewy, and nothing you do on the river will get him off his hand, unless it's something he's highly unlkely to have like 87dd or AJ with Jd. (Again, if he had small made flush, he woulda bet bigger on turn. The AJ prob doesn't bet turn.)
Given the fact that I think his bet sizing wasn't great (flop minraise, too small turn bet on wet board), he prob isn't a reg. But since he's betting flop and turn, he prob ain't folding either. So I think bombing river to get him off a 2pair Ax hand (I can't see him betting turn with just one pair), it just won't work often enough.
So I think in general, sorry bro but yeah, ****e move.
However,and I am not advocating this at all, if you want to set up a play like this with a river bluff, on this board I think you have to bet turn as well. By betting FTR, you're repping a much wider selection of hands than the passive line you took here. When he minraised flop, it kinda threw a wrench in that move, and I can't see how in this spot you can make a credible bluff move that wouldn't be 3bet flop and go AI on turn, and that's just horribad.