I have ATs in the BB, with blinds at 40/80. My stack isn't very big with just over 1,000 chips. 3x raise from a loose guy in early position followed by a call late from a guy with a 50% VPIP. Is this a shove spot? A call spot? I'm guessing it's not a fold spot as I could be dominated by AK, AQ or AJ but with the loose VPIPs I am guessing it's worth a call.

What do you guys think??


PokerStars - 40/80 Ante 10 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: 15.36 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
MP+2: 26.05 BB (VPIP: 41.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
CO: 3.18 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
BTN: 31.18 BB (VPIP: 58.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
SB: 9.81 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
Hero (BB): 14.23 BB
UTG: 29.38 BB (VPIP: 8.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
UTG+1: 13.99 BB (VPIP: 13.77, PFR: 11.61, 3Bet Preflop: 4.70, Hands: 478)
MP: 25.59 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)

9 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.63 BB) Hero has A T

fold, fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (10.63 BB, 3 players) 3 8 J
Hero checks, MP checks, BTN checks

Turn: (10.63 BB, 3 players) 8
Hero checks, MP bets 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, fold

River: (16.63 BB, 2 players) 3
MP checks, BTN bets 8 BB, MP calls 8 BB

BTN shows 2 2 (Two Pair, Eights and Threes)
(Pre 57%, Flop 75%, Turn 74%)
MP shows K A (Two Pair, Eights and Threes)
(Pre 43%, Flop 25%, Turn 26%)
MP wins 32.63 BB

People will disagree but this is a fold. You are not strong enough to shove on MP - his stats don't mean much yet.

Yes, you have great pot odds to see a flop with maybe 30% equity against him but that's no use when you don't know what your outs are. This time it was the T - it could also have been the A. It's really hard to flop better than a bluffcatcher here.

Ya, I've gone big on some top pair, T or J kicker hands lately and gotten burned, so that A isn't necessarily and out for me.

i can't see why ATs is not a shove vs loose guy and a calling station. Seems like a shove to me. There is something to be said about the fact that he 3x, but in game, im assuming he's a loose fish and that we have great fEQ against both of them

Well it depends what range we think villain is opening into 6 players. He might not be positionally aware at all of course, which would change things. I just think we get called off a lot by hands that dominate us.

yes, but we gain millions of chips in the longrun when they both fold. Also, when we get called we still can bink 30% of a time or so

I agree with wanderer. Those spots were trouble for me too, but I think call is even better with T9s, J9s, JTs, then with ATs. ATs is easy 3bet shove for me.

Yeah im shovin and happy about it with A10s