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4 Different hands, 4 questions! MTT 4 Different hands, 4 questions! MTT

05-27-2017 , 07:59 PM
The first hand is marginal to me. A small riverbet is probably +ev, but it isn't impossible he's playing a weak ace like this. Don't hate checking it back.

I have no idea why we're donking out on flop on 2nd hand? Seems like a fairly clear check/float to me, and re-evaluate on turn. Marginal river, probably a check/call, but this line looks so weird to me that I have no real clue how to play it.

Is the flop bet on the 3rd hand a bluff, to protect the hand, or to get value, or combo? I guess we get value from a few floaters with AK/AQ types hands, but generally the best thing we achieve from betting is to fold out hands we beat, and a call makes for a lot of awkward spots later. When he check/raises I guess folding a promising hand is only option, unless we have some specific info on the player.

River bet on fourth hand doesn't make too much sense to me; not sure which hands we're hoping to fold out here that our AKhigh doesn't already beat.


*Answered/asked more than 4 questions, and it could be my analysis is way off (practicing), so should be taken with a grain of salt.
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05-28-2017 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Cat876
The first hand is marginal to me. A small riverbet is probably +ev, but it isn't impossible he's playing a weak ace like this. Don't hate checking it back.

I have no idea why we're donking out on flop on 2nd hand? Seems like a fairly clear check/float to me, and re-evaluate on turn. Marginal river, probably a check/call, but this line looks so weird to me that I have no real clue how to play it.

Is the flop bet on the 3rd hand a bluff, to protect the hand, or to get value, or combo? I guess we get value from a few floaters with AK/AQ types hands, but generally the best thing we achieve from betting is to fold out hands we beat, and a call makes for a lot of awkward spots later. When he check/raises I guess folding a promising hand is only option, unless we have some specific info on the player.

River bet on fourth hand doesn't make too much sense to me; not sure which hands we're hoping to fold out here that our AKhigh doesn't already beat.


*Answered/asked more than 4 questions, and it could be my analysis is way off (practicing), so should be taken with a grain of salt.
Thanks for help, appreciate it man
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05-29-2017 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Flame Arti
Thanks for help, appreciate it man
No problem. Would be nice to see other people's thoughts though. Could be you would get more responses if posted directly in post with hand converter; links are a bit more of a hassle.
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05-31-2017 , 08:25 AM
First Hand:

C-bet otf is okay, but i prefer check back my weak Ax and some medium pockets.
As played after villian's river check most of the time I bet something like 1/3 pot to get some value from 9x but checking back against some tight opponents is okay.

Second Hand:

Postflop you played every street very badly. Preflop you can consider 3-bet Bluff against loose opponents but calling is fine. Flop and Turn horrible! Makes absolutely no sence.

Third Hand: Preflop fold. Otf you should check back against good players because they have a balanced Flopchecking Range. Against weaker regs you bet/fold.

Fourth Hand:

I think i would cbet otf, the board is very dry. His small donkbet ott looks very fishy, you can raise him but you have to bet larger than this small raise. Your sizing is horrible!
First of all you dont mind if he folds his weak pairs (2x,4x,7x) and secondly when he call you hope to hit and get some value from his bad call ott. So your raisesize should be 1000 chips. The alternative play is calling, i think that's also good when you are not sure about the optimal sizing.

As played otr i dont see him folding enough, so just give up and keep your chips.


Overall you have to work very hard on your postflop play!
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06-02-2017 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Rybka90
First Hand:

C-bet otf is okay, but i prefer check back my weak Ax and some medium pockets.
As played after villian's river check most of the time I bet something like 1/3 pot to get some value from 9x but checking back against some tight opponents is okay.

Second Hand:

Postflop you played every street very badly. Preflop you can consider 3-bet Bluff against loose opponents but calling is fine. Flop and Turn horrible! Makes absolutely no sence.

Third Hand: Preflop fold. Otf you should check back against good players because they have a balanced Flopchecking Range. Against weaker regs you bet/fold.

Fourth Hand:

I think i would cbet otf, the board is very dry. His small donkbet ott looks very fishy, you can raise him but you have to bet larger than this small raise. Your sizing is horrible!
First of all you dont mind if he folds his weak pairs (2x,4x,7x) and secondly when he call you hope to hit and get some value from his bad call ott. So your raisesize should be 1000 chips. The alternative play is calling, i think that's also good when you are not sure about the optimal sizing.

As played otr i dont see him folding enough, so just give up and keep your chips.


Overall you have to work very hard on your postflop play!
Look dude, like no one wants to think about second hand, every one is like - horrible horrible...
But if u think in terms or ranges, this board texture fits my range better like 70% of times, so that's the way i can do it, may be no on this limit.
It's hard to continue with all his overs and weak pairs, so my main problem here was that i should have bet/fold small third street i guess.
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06-05-2017 , 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Flame Arti
Look dude, like no one wants to think about second hand, every one is like - horrible horrible...
But if u think in terms or ranges, this board texture fits my range better like 70% of times, so that's the way i can do it, may be no on this limit.
It's hard to continue with all his overs and weak pairs, so my main problem here was that i should have bet/fold small third street i guess.
Your flatting range in the BB here is behind his raising range. This flop is awful for both of you but way better for him as he has a smaller range, including pocket pairs and Ax that beat you.

Think about it tho, if he is a thinking player, he knows that you won't donk out with a set, it looks so weak, so he can just flat with a load of his range in position.

Against a weak player, you've just folded out every single hand you beat that they are checking back to you on the flop, and you are building a pot against all the hands that you are beat by. Out of position.
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06-07-2017 , 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Wohmfg
Your flatting range in the BB here is behind his raising range. This flop is awful for both of you but way better for him as he has a smaller range, including pocket pairs and Ax that beat you.

Think about it tho, if he is a thinking player, he knows that you won't donk out with a set, it looks so weak, so he can just flat with a load of his range in position.

Against a weak player, you've just folded out every single hand you beat that they are checking back to you on the flop, and you are building a pot against all the hands that you are beat by. Out of position.
Okay, now i see, i like your answer much, thx.
U think about what he might think of my range, and i like it a lot
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