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4.50 reg speed FT 4 left AA spot deepstacked 4.50 reg speed FT 4 left AA spot deepstacked

12-29-2016 , 09:55 PM
CO has been super aggro. It is my 4th or 5th 3bet vs him. What's the best line posftlop there to get max value from his range? What do you think about my line? Thanks

PokerStars - 600/1200 Ante 125 NL - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 54,337 (VPIP: 28.31, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 4.05, Hands: 220)
CO: 73,851 (VPIP: 40.95, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 7.89, Hands: 108)
Hero (BTN): 71,248
SB: 70,564 (VPIP: 20.99, PFR: 17.50, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 83)

4 players post ante of 125, SB posts SB 600, BB posts BB 1,200

Pre Flop: (pot: 2,300) Hero has A A

CO raises to 2,760, Hero raises to 7,877, fold, fold, CO calls 5,117

Flop: (18,054, 2 players) 5 Q 7
CO checks, Hero bets 6,318, CO raises to 12,636, Hero calls 6,318

Turn: (43,326, 2 players) Q
CO bets 18,000, Hero calls 18,000

River: (79,326, 2 players) 6
CO bets 35,213 and is all-in, fold

Spoiler:
CO wins 79,326
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12-30-2016 , 05:24 AM
bet 11k and get in OTF,1/3 bet is like a gift if he has FD or made pair (6outer)
i call river,too much missed FDs and random bluffs
have to check numbers but feels like 3:1 OTR must be +ev vs super aggro
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12-30-2016 , 05:48 AM
if you want to get it in over two streets then you would need to bet about 16K then full pot. you could get it in over three just going half pot three times. 11K would leave you stranded in no man's land with 53K behind and 40K in the middle (which is more or less what happens to Vilain after he makes it 12).

This smaller bet is fine if your read is it will induce this raise - I suppose if he flats you can go 80 percent or something on the next one. Runout sucks.
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12-30-2016 , 06:35 AM
i dont want to gii over 2 streets, but 3 streets. I also dont think gii otf is the most profitable line vs his whole range
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12-30-2016 , 07:22 AM
3 street value
flop 18k pot: 65k stack,cbet 11k
if call
on safe turn 40k pot: 54k stack,bet 20k (because of FD and straight possibility + BD stuff)
if call
river 80k pot: 34k Ai (he might hero call river with hands like flopped 7x or 88,99 or smth like that,depends of course of runouts)

i guess you could keep slowplaying with 11k flop bet if he x/r (i more like gii OTF > x/r/c line)

same thing when flop bet was 1/3,only difference your are giving right odds to draw cheap (if he decides just call flop)

one example: lets say he has 9h8d,you bet and odds are 4:1 to call for him (20% equity required) https://puu.sh/t5FGr/de0b057567.png
on rainbow flop super std cbet 1/3

lot of Qx,draws on flop,i dont like betting 1/3 with 2 black aces without blockers to almost anything.

btw if you slowplay OTF and call turn when Q pairs,your basically should call river,because looks like you only call river Q or A,super exploitable (2xQ on board is perfect for his bluffing range,sometimes overplayed 7x,88-JJ)

@LektorAJ yes 50% is fine also (but whole range when he hits has somewhere around 20-30%,25% required to continue,FDs def has right odds,OOP stuff ofc gives hard time to realise his equity,but i assume hes agrro random fish,might get ugly till river)

Last edited by bardaks86; 12-30-2016 at 07:35 AM.
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12-30-2016 , 10:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bardaks86
3 street value
flop 18k pot: 65k stack,cbet 11k
if call
on safe turn 40k pot: 54k stack,bet 20k (because of FD and straight possibility + BD stuff)
if call
river 80k pot: 34k Ai (he might hero call river with hands like flopped 7x or 88,99 or smth like that,depends of course of runouts)

i guess you could keep slowplaying with 11k flop bet if he x/r (i more like gii OTF > x/r/c line)

same thing when flop bet was 1/3,only difference your are giving right odds to draw cheap (if he decides just call flop)

one example: lets say he has 9h8d,you bet and odds are 4:1 to call for him (20% equity required) https://puu.sh/t5FGr/de0b057567.png
on rainbow flop super std cbet 1/3

lot of Qx,draws on flop,i dont like betting 1/3 with 2 black aces without blockers to almost anything.

btw if you slowplay OTF and call turn when Q pairs,your basically should call river,because looks like you only call river Q or A,super exploitable (2xQ on board is perfect for his bluffing range,sometimes overplayed 7x,88-JJ)

@LektorAJ yes 50% is fine also (but whole range when he hits has somewhere around 20-30%,25% required to continue,FDs def has right odds,OOP stuff ofc gives hard time to realise his equity,but i assume hes agrro random fish,might get ugly till river)
thanks man. very good points! yeah I think folding river is bad here i just cant see him bluffing a lot :/
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12-30-2016 , 12:13 PM
What hands does he flat a 3 bet with OOP that are good bluffs on this board? How many are left after a line of c/r flop, and two more barrels?

Apart from the occasional thing like JT if he has TT and has read you for a Q or better and has successfully turned his TT into a bluff knowing his showdown value is no good then well done to him. More likely he has a set (boat on turn) or a Q so I think the fold is fine.

Yes I agree that on the flop, it looks like getting it in over three streets is better - I misread the first reply as suggesting get it in OTT, so over 2 streets, starting with 11K. I still think it's a yucky sizing as the next bets have to be either too small (or one bet but too big).
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12-30-2016 , 06:33 PM
to make +ev call OTR,we need ~23%+ equity
vs tight range (some missed FDs A8-AJ,K9-KJ,JT,T9,no overplayed hands):


what i think guy with 40/28 stats might have (more missed FDs and overplayed pairs,without random bluffs like KJo,KTo and stuff like that):



obv we can add more Qx,7x,straights but main thing i think is pretty clear

with Ad in our hand,i think we can find a fold

Last edited by bardaks86; 12-30-2016 at 06:39 PM.
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02-13-2017 , 10:09 PM
he is playing 41/28...so he is not a reg i assume, also only 100hands

so, bet bigger on flop...his range is inelastic to youre sizing(most of it)

...gii OTF vs his stats is more than fine here
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