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08-13-2011 , 11:16 AM

4xTraderVn

newbie

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 29

I am just ITM and I seek a good spot to shove. I was glad to see I was dealt A7o from the D. All folded to the CO who ship it ...

Poker Stars, $4.10 Buy-in (800/1,600 blinds, 150 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10268382

MP2: 57,843 (36.2 bb)
MP3: 70,402 (44 bb)
CO: 15,278 (9.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): 9,819 (6.1 bb)
SB: 19,283 (12.1 bb)
BB: 11,087 (6.9 bb)
UTG+1: 38,436 (24 bb)
UTG+2: 27,261 (17 bb)
MP1: 20,591 (12.9 bb)

Preflop: (1,350) Hero is BTN with A

5 folds, CO raises to 15,128 and is all-in, 3 folds

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Should I shove too... I mean, A7 seems not strong enough to call a shove and I intended to go allin when I am first to act with any two...

Critics...?

08-13-2011 , 11:45 AM

streetwalkincheeta

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,132

Much depends on villain,against most in a $4.5/180,I'd fold it.

08-13-2011 , 11:54 AM

PAROOVKA

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 405

Much better to ship any random two cards as a first player to act that call his shove with as little as A7. With no reads it's easy fold, against loose players you might call, but I'll never be happy to do it.

08-13-2011 , 12:26 PM

mflip

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,957

9819 to win 13569 so you need 42% equity. Breakeven is around 18% of hands. If he's shoving wider than 66+,A5s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,ATo+,KTo+,QTo+ call and if he's shoving tighter than that range fold.

08-13-2011 , 12:40 PM

PAROOVKA

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 405

Quote:

Originally Posted by mflip

9819 to win 13569 so you need 42% equity. Breakeven is around 18% of hands. If he's shoving wider than 66+,A5s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,ATo+,KTo+,QTo+ call and if he's shoving tighter than that range fold.

Very good that you had time to check it. I think it just confirms what I said, because not too often random is shoving that wide

08-15-2011 , 04:38 AM

Mhnds

grinder

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 545

Quote:

Originally Posted by mflip

9819 to win 13569 so you need 42% equity. Breakeven is around 18% of hands. If he's shoving wider than 66+,A5s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,ATo+,KTo+,QTo+ call and if he's shoving tighter than that range fold.

Which app do you use to get that odds and equity perc. ?

08-15-2011 , 05:49 AM

bubbleking

grinder

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 449

I think its reasonably close against a good player but against most I fold

08-15-2011 , 06:34 AM

furo

deviation of equilibrium

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 29,639

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4xTraderVn

Critics...?

you have/gave zero reads on villain

if we have the slightest read that he is competent i instafistpumpcall in this spot.

08-15-2011 , 11:22 AM

mflip

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,957

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mhnds

Which app do you use to get that odds and equity perc. ?

Pokerstove and a calculator.

08-15-2011 , 05:37 PM

#10

Camzace

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,351

Quote:

Originally Posted by furo

you have/gave zero reads on villain

if we have the slightest read that he is competent i instafistpumpcall in this spot.

+1, even breakeven regs should be jamming wide enough that getting A7o in here is +cEV

08-16-2011 , 09:15 AM

#11

leconnaisseur

adept

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,092

yeah but a7 is at the bottom of the shoving range
esp on final table in those nitty 180s 4

08-16-2011 , 09:40 AM

#12

marw842

newbie

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by mflip

Pokerstove and a calculator.

+1, i use the same high tech

Quote:

Originally Posted by furo

if we have the slightest read that he is competent i instafistpumpcall in this spot.

+1, imo against competent player insta call, against random fold... reg should shove here really wide range

08-16-2011 , 12:44 PM

#13

_Koby_

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,341

close but against a ramdom i would fold. you still have alot of FE, ex when you shove against 10-13bb stacks.

08-16-2011 , 12:58 PM

#14

Abe008

I ARE just biebwr
but not a mod

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 12,139

Yeah prob fold this against a random in 4.50

Snap calling in a 2 obv

08-16-2011 , 05:16 PM

#15

Camzace

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,351

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abe008

Yeah prob fold this against a random in 4.50

Snap calling in a 2 obv

Why are randoms more likely to be shoving more correctly in lower limits? If anything this should be more of a fold in a 2

08-17-2011 , 08:28 AM

#16

streetwalkincheeta

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,132

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camzace

Why are randoms more likely to be shoving more correctly in lower limits? If anything this should be more of a fold in a 2

In my experience,regs and randoms both shove way tighter in non turbo $4/180s than in turbo $2s.Haven't played a nonturbo in a long time though.

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