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Old 08-06-2012, 05:09 PM   #1
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4.50/180 river spot

Only just moved to this table so no real reads, playing lots of these so probably reg (though never seen him before)


[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $4.10 Buy-in (150/300 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13672392

MP2: 7,773 (25.9 bb)
MP3: 14,175 (47.3 bb)
CO: 15,060 (50.2 bb)
Hero (BTN): 20,802 (69.3 bb)
SB: 5,685 (19 bb)
BB: 5,407 (18 bb)
MP1: 3,660 (12.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 6 Q
4 folds, Hero raises to 630, SB folds, BB calls 330

Flop: (1,585) 6 9 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (1,585) 3 (2 players)
BB bets 600, Hero calls 600

River: (2,785) 4 (2 players)
BB bets 1,200
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Old 08-06-2012, 06:22 PM   #2
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Re: 4.50/180 river spot

look like vilain has a 9 there, id fold
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Old 08-07-2012, 04:35 AM   #3
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Re: 4.50/180 river spot

cbet/get it in
now fold
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Old 08-07-2012, 05:46 AM   #4
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Re: 4.50/180 river spot

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cbet/get it in
so u cbet and get it in on any turn?
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Old 08-07-2012, 09:16 AM   #5
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so u cbet and get it in on any turn?
no, but on the flop
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Old 08-07-2012, 09:26 AM   #6
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Re: 4.50/180 river spot

oh i see.
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Old 08-07-2012, 09:37 AM   #7
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Re: 4.50/180 river spot

I would bet at least 1k on the flop. If he were still to bet the turn after calling that I would be out of the hand you only beat a bluff at this point
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Old 08-07-2012, 09:43 AM   #8
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Re: 4.50/180 river spot

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cbet/get it in
now fold

can you actually give some reasoning? Like what ranges are you putting him on he c/shoves to call, and that we fold to this river bet?
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Old 08-07-2012, 08:23 PM   #9
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Re: 4.50/180 river spot

bet flop/prob get in depending on his sizing/if he jams
as played turn is fine
as played fold river, it does not look like he has 9x though, lol.
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Old 08-08-2012, 06:28 AM   #10
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can you actually give some reasoning? Like what ranges are you putting him on he c/shoves to call, and that we fold to this river bet?
2nd pair good kicker is pretty strong on this texture vs his stacksize. ppl mostly flat SCs/broadways/small pairs in this spot. most of these hands dont beat 2nd pair good kicker.
furtheremore you are percieved to be very wide here in this spot and since you only make pairs ~25% of the time and draws ~15% of the time you will have nothing ~60% of the time. also some draws you cant call off with and some pairs you make will be too bad too call a jam with. overall he has tons of FE with worse made hands and draws.

you dont beat a single value hand OTR.
cause your range looks like a passively played draw and alot of draws get there and he bets into you.
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Old 08-08-2012, 06:49 AM   #11
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2nd pair good kicker is pretty strong on this texture vs his stacksize. ppl mostly flat SCs/broadways/small pairs in this spot. most of these hands dont beat 2nd pair good kicker.
furtheremore you are percieved to be very wide here in this spot and since you only make pairs ~25% of the time and draws ~15% of the time you will have nothing ~60% of the time. also some draws you cant call off with and some pairs you make will be too bad too call a jam with. overall he has tons of FE with worse made hands and draws.
That may be true but a lot of those hands would jam pre, and it's hard to see him c/j broadway type hands. I guess we're ahead of 67/68/flush draws and that's enough?

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you dont beat a single value hand OTR.
cause your range looks like a passively played draw and alot of draws get there and he bets into you.
But does that not mean we can profitably bluff shove the river?
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Old 08-08-2012, 08:02 AM   #12
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That may be true but a lot of those hands would jam pre, and it's hard to see him c/j broadway type hands. I guess we're ahead of 67/68/flush draws and that's enough?



But does that not mean we can profitably bluff shove the river?
yea thats enough, also smaller pocket pairs

maybe, dont know, not enough reads.
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Old 08-10-2012, 11:09 AM   #13
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Re: 4.50/180 river spot

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cbet/get it in
now fold
This is purely a marginal play.
Would You have done if we had a stack of 7k?
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Old 08-10-2012, 11:49 AM   #14
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This is purely a marginal play.
Would You have done if we had a stack of 7k?
depends on your definition of marginal
yes
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Old 08-14-2012, 07:29 AM   #15
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bet flop/prob get in depending on his sizing/if he jams
as played turn is fine
as played fold river, it does not look like he has 9x though, lol.
this
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