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Old 07-22-2012, 07:51 PM   #1
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Question 4.50/180 -FT and I have 88 in big blind

Villain is pretty bad, and stacks are level. Shove pre?


    Poker Stars, $4.10 Buy-in (800/1,600 blinds, 150 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    MP3: 39,160 (24.5 bb)
    CO: 9,148 (5.7 bb)
    BTN: 42,989 (26.9 bb)
    SB: 41,172 (25.7 bb)
    Hero (BB): 42,798 (26.7 bb)
    UTG+2: 44,942 (28.1 bb)
    MP1: 24,688 (15.4 bb)
    MP2: 25,103 (15.7 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 8 8
    UTG+2 raises to 4,800, 6 folds, Hero raises to 12,000, UTG+2 calls 7,200

    Flop: (26,000) K T K (2 players)
    Hero bets 10,000, UTG+2 raises to 32,792 and is all-in, Hero folds

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    Old 07-22-2012, 08:21 PM   #2
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    Re: 4.50/180 -FT and I have 88 in big blind

    If u think he would flat almost every time u're 3bet, yeah, guess is better shove pre. Otherwise we'll be always playing pretty awful flops with awkward stacks. As played, I prefer to check/fold here.

    Also, you're 3bet is so big... just jam it!
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    Old 07-23-2012, 08:24 PM   #3
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    Re: 4.50/180 -FT and I have 88 in big blind

    i think when he opens 3 BB's pre you might as well just jam over....unless you would minraise/fold to his 4b

    also you absolutely cannot bet so much/at all otf and then fold...you have to decide to c/f or go with it because you have a good amount invested
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    Old 07-24-2012, 04:03 AM   #4
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    Re: 4.50/180 -FT and I have 88 in big blind

    Interesting spot, because I struggle a bit with these kind of hands vs lag aggro fish. I dislike jamming, because those guys snapcall with hands they shouldn't with and gamble.

    3betting I'm not a fan of either. I think I flat most of the time here.

    Generally want far better spots on final tables with mostly lots of idiots on it.


    Basically the same with all pairs 55-99. Can someone enlighten us (me) what's optimal in these spots?
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    Old 07-24-2012, 06:36 AM   #5
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    Re: 4.50/180 -FT and I have 88 in big blind

    With 26 BB left i think i'll shove here even if you facing UTG raise but that's just me.
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    Old 07-24-2012, 08:03 AM   #6
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    Re: 4.50/180 -FT and I have 88 in big blind

    would just fold pre vs a 3x
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    Old 07-24-2012, 12:40 PM   #7
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    Re: 4.50/180 -FT and I have 88 in big blind

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    would just fold pre vs a 3x
    i dont know how much we learn from villain making it 3x pre...if villain is actually bad like hero says, villain should be opening all pots to 3x
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    Old 07-24-2012, 12:59 PM   #8
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    Re: 4.50/180 -FT and I have 88 in big blind

    well he is def bad since he 3x
    the 3x from this pos is still strong mostly.
    you need a read to do something else besides folding here
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    Old 07-24-2012, 06:02 PM   #9
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    Re: 4.50/180 -FT and I have 88 in big blind

    if he opens wide in EP and calls AI very tightly (like 5% or so, because he's bad), then shoving 88 pre is +cEV here, but it could be -$EV from ICM perspective, therefore without any reads and odds to setmine, I fold pre
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