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09-03-2012, 05:25 PM
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adept
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3,5R FT AK facing flatting reg
Poker Stars, $3.19 Buy-in (4,000/8,000 blinds, 800 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13848112
MP1: 52,290 (6.5 bb)
MP2: 159,760 (20 bb)
MP3: 118,333 (14.8 bb)
Hero (CO): 120,790 (15.1 bb)
BTN: 123,040 (15.4 bb)
SB: 143,337 (17.9 bb)
BB: 59,070 (7.4 bb)
UTG+2: 92,880 (11.6 bb)
Preflop: Hero is CO with K  A 
2 folds, MP2 raises to 16,000, MP3 calls 16,000, Hero raises to 119,990 and is all-in, 4 folds, MP3 calls 101,533 and is all-in
Flop: (269,466) T  8  T (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: (269,466) K (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: (269,466) 3 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
And please don't start with snap AI ainec and simmilar, because it's not.
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09-03-2012, 05:42 PM
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veteran
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Re: 3,5R FT AK facing flatting reg
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Originally Posted by biceps
And please don't start with snap AI ainec and simmilar, because it's not.
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Already $50k in the middle close to half your stack, what other options do you think have with 15bb and AKo in that spot?
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09-03-2012, 05:48 PM
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adept
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Re: 3,5R FT AK facing flatting reg
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Originally Posted by Potamito
Already $50k in the middle close to half your stack, what other options do you think have with 15bb and AKo in that spot?
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there are two more, call or fold.
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09-03-2012, 05:51 PM
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veteran
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Re: 3,5R FT AK facing flatting reg
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Originally Posted by biceps
there are two more, call or fold.
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If u take that mindset i can add a third one, 3bet small, but neither of them are viable with 15bb, facing 2 villains in the hand already and with $50k in the middle.
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09-03-2012, 06:04 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: 3,5R FT AK facing flatting reg
snap AI ainec and simmilar, because it is.
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09-03-2012, 06:06 PM
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adept
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Re: 3,5R FT AK facing flatting reg
Ok so than tell me, what is regs flatting range there cause in order to be snap you must have him beat most of the time and should get fold quite often as well.
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09-03-2012, 06:12 PM
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adept
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Re: 3,5R FT AK facing flatting reg
Adding the stats, both are regs obv
MP1 - 16/14/593 hands
MP3 - 16/13/499 hands
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09-03-2012, 06:13 PM
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centurion
Join Date: Dec 2009
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Re: 3,5R FT AK facing flatting reg
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Originally Posted by fidstar-poker
snap AI ainec and simmilar, because it is.
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this.
Edit: folding AK would be to weak for 15bb. So much money in the middle, Shoving is really the only option till you've seen that he could trap like this. Flatting with AA OR KK here would be very terrible with the stack sizes, if they do mark em as a terrible reg
Last edited by dj1337; 09-03-2012 at 06:22 PM.
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09-03-2012, 06:17 PM
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adept
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Re: 3,5R FT AK facing flatting reg
Oh I love it. Some goat arguments ITT.
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09-03-2012, 06:24 PM
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veteran
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Re: 3,5R FT AK facing flatting reg
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Originally Posted by dj1337
this.
Edit: folding AK would be to weak for 15bb. So much money in the middle, Shoving is really the only option till you've seen that he could trap like this. Flatting with AA OR KK here would be very terrible with the stack sizes, if they do mark em as a terrible reg 
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+1
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09-03-2012, 07:30 PM
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centurion
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Re: 3,5R FT AK facing flatting reg
Would it be terrible to flat with AA/KK with the intentions of getting a stack behind you to shove super light? MP2 min raised if you were to re-raise it would look super strong, where as if you were to flat it looks super weak and almost positive someone behind you is going squeeze with a wide range as oppose to getting someone to fold to your 3 bet. Aren't you inducing them to shove with a flat big time forcing Ax,Kx hands to shove light?
Considering MP3 position isn't he inducing Hero and these 2 others big stacks to shove light?
(CO): 120,790 (15.1 bb)
BTN: 123,040 (15.4 bb)
SB: 143,337 (17.9 bb)
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09-03-2012, 08:02 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: 3,5R FT AK facing flatting reg
AK isnt light bro.
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09-03-2012, 08:16 PM
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centurion
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Re: 3,5R FT AK facing flatting reg
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Originally Posted by fidstar-poker
AK isnt light bro.
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I'm not talking about AK (it's going in 95% of the time) I was referring to everyone saying flatting with KK/AA would be terrible. I meant in this situation if you flat behind MP2 as MP3 did the Hero, BTN, SB are almost forced to shove with almost any Ax suited, KJ+ as oppose to, them folding to a 3 bet if you were to raise MP2. If poster had A9+, K10+, QsJs, 66+ would you not be forced to shove in Hero's position to a flat where you could easily get away from those hands if MP3 we're to 3 bet.
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09-04-2012, 02:05 PM
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newbie
Join Date: Aug 2012
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Re: 3,5R FT AK facing flatting reg
the question op is really asking is actually quite an interesting one: what the hell is mp3 flatting with under the given circumstances?
tbh i cannot see him flatting much besides AA really, but if he is strange enough to play it like this, he will probably also show up with some other stuff that he shouldn't.
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09-04-2012, 08:42 PM
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journeyman
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Re: 3,5R FT AK facing flatting reg
Snapshove
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