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Old 02-17-2012, 09:35 AM   #1
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3.50 45man sng 45s shove

How do we like this shove?



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    BTN: 11,404 (14.3 bb)
    SB: 4,905 (6.1 bb)
    BB: 16,418 (20.5 bb)
    UTG+2: 5,179 (6.5 bb)
    MP1: 4,186 (5.2 bb)
    MP2: 9,275 (11.6 bb)
    MP3: 4,900 (6.1 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with 4 5
    4 folds, Hero raises to 11,183 and is all-in

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    Old 02-17-2012, 09:37 AM   #2
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    Re: 3.50 45man sng 45s shove

    What to do when you're drunk? Shove lol

    Don`t like your shove...
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    Old 02-17-2012, 09:42 AM   #3
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    Re: 3.50 45man sng 45s shove

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    What to do when you're drunk? Shove lol

    Don`t like your shove...
    i dont know but i have a 21% roi in these so i must be doing something right so how about stfu.
    so what i mean to say ( in nice terms ) is that you can post criticism no need to be a dink about it though.

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    Old 02-17-2012, 11:30 AM   #4
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    Re: 3.50 45man sng 45s shove

    You've got a nice stack with short stacks at the table and people behind you have you covered, so shoving 54s seems bad. I'd shove pretty tight here depends on reads too. How many of these have you played?
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    Old 02-17-2012, 11:40 AM   #5
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    Re: 3.50 45man sng 45s shove

    nm push bot says i can shove 61.7% of my range here, and when i filter for 1% roi it still says i can shove 45s 47.8%, i have played 600 of these. which is hardly a big sample size but def enough to know if im a winning player at them.
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    Old 02-17-2012, 04:09 PM   #6
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    Re: 3.50 45man sng 45s shove

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    nm push bot says i can shove 61.7% of my range here, and when i filter for 1% roi it still says i can shove 45s 47.8%, i have played 600 of these. which is hardly a big sample size but def enough to know if im a winning player at them.
    emm no its not.well done so far tho. 45 i do not likey pushing here.
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    Old 02-17-2012, 07:03 PM   #7
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    Re: 3.50 45man sng 45s shove

    Risk/reward is bad in this spot and most players dont know how tight they have to call here. They probably have to fold JJ vs your shove but many players call AQ at this limit or even wider.
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    Old 02-17-2012, 07:22 PM   #8
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    Re: 3.50 45man sng 45s shove

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    emm no its not.well done so far tho. 45 i do not likey pushing here.
    regardless of arguing semantics i was just wondering if it was a profitable shove, which i figured out by checking myself it was, i just really wanted to see how many 45 man regs would agree with this shove or would like to fold the marginal ev shoves out.
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    Old 02-18-2012, 08:38 AM   #9
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    Re: 3.50 45man sng 45s shove

    A lot depends on villains calling ranges, most aren't folding pretty hands, so shoving superwide with these stacks isn't great. Villains making mistakes in these spots will cost you, just hope you run well .



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      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      Hero (CO): 31,611 (39.5 bb)
      BTN: 2,967 (3.7 bb)
      SB: 6,945 (8.7 bb)
      BB: 7,456 (9.3 bb)
      MP: 18,521 (23.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with T 4
      MP raises to 1,600, Hero raises to 31,561 and is all-in, 3 folds, MP calls 16,871 and is all-in

      Flop: (38,392) 8 K 5 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
      Turn: (38,392) 6 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
      River: (38,392) 7 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

      Results: 38,392 pot
      Final Board: 8 K 5 6 7
      Hero showed T 4 and won 38,392 (19,871 net)
      MP showed A J and lost (-18,521 net)
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      Old 02-18-2012, 10:47 AM   #10
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      Re: 3.50 45man sng 45s shove

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      A lot depends on villains calling ranges, most aren't folding pretty hands, so shoving superwide with these stacks isn't great. Villains making mistakes in these spots will cost you, just hope you run well .



        Poker Stars, $27.65 Buy-in (400/800 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 5 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

        Hero (CO): 31,611 (39.5 bb)
        BTN: 2,967 (3.7 bb)
        SB: 6,945 (8.7 bb)
        BB: 7,456 (9.3 bb)
        MP: 18,521 (23.2 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is CO with T 4
        MP raises to 1,600, Hero raises to 31,561 and is all-in, 3 folds, MP calls 16,871 and is all-in

        Flop: (38,392) 8 K 5 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
        Turn: (38,392) 6 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
        River: (38,392) 7 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

        Results: 38,392 pot
        Final Board: 8 K 5 6 7
        Hero showed T 4 and won 38,392 (19,871 net)
        MP showed A J and lost (-18,521 net)
        Hero is lucky here. I won't shoove in that situation. But as u said u got 21% ROI so why do you ask ?
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        Old 02-18-2012, 11:10 AM   #11
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        Re: 3.50 45man sng 45s shove

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        Hero is lucky here. I won't shoove in that situation. But as u said u got 21% ROI so why do you ask ?
        i ask hoping to get strat related answers not some stranger on 2+2 trying to flame because apparently he has no life.
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        Old 02-18-2012, 11:11 AM   #12
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        Re: 3.50 45man sng 45s shove

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        A lot depends on villains calling ranges, most aren't folding pretty hands, so shoving superwide with these stacks isn't great. Villains making mistakes in these spots will cost you, just hope you run well .



          Poker Stars, $27.65 Buy-in (400/800 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 5 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

          Hero (CO): 31,611 (39.5 bb)
          BTN: 2,967 (3.7 bb)
          SB: 6,945 (8.7 bb)
          BB: 7,456 (9.3 bb)
          MP: 18,521 (23.2 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is CO with T 4
          MP raises to 1,600, Hero raises to 31,561 and is all-in, 3 folds, MP calls 16,871 and is all-in

          Flop: (38,392) 8 K 5 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
          Turn: (38,392) 6 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
          River: (38,392) 7 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

          Results: 38,392 pot
          Final Board: 8 K 5 6 7
          Hero showed T 4 and won 38,392 (19,871 net)
          MP showed A J and lost (-18,521 net)
          answer like this is what i look for someone who is talking strat not being a dick
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          Old 02-18-2012, 01:39 PM   #13
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          Re: 3.50 45man sng 45s shove

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          How do we like this shove?
          Its terribad! AINEC!

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          i dont know but i have a 21% roi in these so i must be doing something right so how about stfu.
          Come back when u have a decent volume.

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          so what i mean to say ( in nice terms ) is that you can post criticism no need to be a dink about it though.
          Check out ur own answers. No need for u to be a dick urself right?

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          nm push bot says i can shove 61.7% of my range here, and when i filter for 1% roi it still says i can shove 45s 47.8%
          If u like money, throw this pushbot to the trashbin.

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          i have played 600 of these. which is hardly a big sample size but def enough to know if im a winning player at them.
          lol, as I wrote above. Come back when u have 5k games as a sample. 600 tells u exactly NOTHING!

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          regardless of arguing semantics i was just wondering if it was a profitable shove, which i figured out by checking myself it was, i just really wanted to see how many 45 man regs would agree with this shove or would like to fold the marginal ev shoves out.
          It might be +ev, but rly, try to think about why this is terribad. If u are so smart as u point out itt, then its easy for u to figure out.

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          i ask hoping to get strat related answers not some stranger on 2+2 trying to flame because apparently he has no life.
          OMFG! Try take a look at ur own post! Chill down dude!

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          answer like this is what i look for someone who is talking strat not being a dick
          Theres only one dick itt, u see who?!?!
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          Old 02-18-2012, 03:00 PM   #14
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          Re: 3.50 45man sng 45s shove

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          Its terribad! AINEC!



          Come back when u have a decent volume.



          Check out ur own answers. No need for u to be a dick urself right?



          If u like money, throw this pushbot to the trashbin.



          lol, as I wrote above. Come back when u have 5k games as a sample. 600 tells u exactly NOTHING!



          It might be +ev, but rly, try to think about why this is terribad. If u are so smart as u point out itt, then its easy for u to figure out.



          OMFG! Try take a look at ur own post! Chill down dude!



          Theres only one dick itt, u see who?!?!
          wow your right i should totally ditch the push bot i got on 2+2 that everyone praised?
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          Old 02-18-2012, 03:46 PM   #15
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          Re: 3.50 45man sng 45s shove

          makes sense why this a fold though, too many small stacks at the table.
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