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.50 45m cold 3-bet or flat on dry flop with overpair? .50 45m cold 3-bet or flat on dry flop with overpair?

02-20-2015 , 10:17 AM
    Poker Stars, $3.19 Buy-in (25/50 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    MP2: 1,185 (23.7 bb)
    MP3: 1,570 (31.4 bb)
    CO: 2,715 (54.3 bb)
    Hero (BTN): 2,231 (44.6 bb)
    SB: 1,902 (38 bb)
    BB: 1,586 (31.7 bb)
    UTG+1: 1,290 (25.8 bb)
    UTG+2: 1,369 (27.4 bb)
    MP1: 4,504 (90.1 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with J J
    2 folds, MP1 calls 50, 2 folds, CO calls 50, Hero raises to 200, 2 folds, MP1 calls 150, CO calls 150

    Flop: (675) 3 8 T (3 players)
    MP1 bets 200, CO raises to 600, Hero ???



    Should we jam or just flat here?
    02-20-2015 , 01:58 PM
    preflop: raise to 225, 200 fine

    flop: don't flat, easy shove
    02-20-2015 , 04:43 PM
    Why would you jam? What youll achieve by doing that is chasing away all the weaker hands that might keep on barelling or call a future value bet and get called only by better hands or if you get lucky some Tx but thats a small part of his range imo given his donk lead.

    The board is as dry as it gets, why do you want to rush the hand? Just call and let him bluff or think that his middle pair or Tx is good here. If the board was wet I could consider jamming but not on this board texture, never.

    My line would be calling flop, checking back/calling almost any turn and reevaluating the river but probably folding to a 3rd barrell and checking back if I dont improve.
    02-21-2015 , 01:28 AM
    ^ with an SPR of 3 just go broke with an overpair

    sorry, but your reasoning doesnt make sense, you want to trap but also consider folding on the turn and "probably folding" the river

    we have good equity on the flop, so realise that equity now, instead of thinking about folding later, it makes no sense

    yes the flop is dry but we don't want to see an overcard

    its multi-way, chances of getting our shove called is higher, esp given action so far

    if someone shows up with 2-pair or a set, its a cooler

    if they fold we collect a pot of 1475, what's the problem?
    02-21-2015 , 03:00 PM
    I made a mistake and read the hand as a 2 way pot, now seeing theres been also a raise... that changes the scenario!

    I hate this hand converter, not the first time I misread a hand because of it.

    Given the new scenario... I still think it smells really bad! I think CO has a set and folding here is totally fine, so we can look for a better spot.

    Sorry again for the misread!
    02-21-2015 , 04:49 PM
    ^I'm not reading a donk-bet of 30% pot from a guy who limp-called pre-flop as particularly strong and I don't think CO is. So I am treating his raise to 600 more like an opening bet.
    02-22-2015 , 11:51 AM
    As played, I call and he jams brick turn for about 2/3 pot. He calls and shows QT and JJ holds.
    02-22-2015 , 05:14 PM
    jamming seems fine.

    With QQ+ I may be more inclined to call and let him barrel off but feel a bit like jacks are vulnerable here.

          
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