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3.5 rebuy 180. ok to open this? 3.5 rebuy 180. ok to open this?

12-01-2015 , 07:07 PM
PokerStars - $3.19+$0.31|500/1000 Ante 100 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 10.95 BB (VPIP: 30.43, PFR: 31.82, 3Bet Preflop: 22.22, Hands: 23)
SB: 24.35 BB (VPIP: 11.76, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
BB: 31.94 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
UTG: 9.96 BB (VPIP: 15.52, PFR: 11.54, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 59)
Hero (UTG+1): 16.82 BB
MP: 7.54 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
CO: 28.84 BB (VPIP: 29.41, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 17)

7 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.2 BB) Hero has T 9

fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 1.5 BB, BB calls 1 BB

Flop: (6.7 BB, 3 players) K 3 Q
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 3.35 BB, SB calls 3.35 BB, fold

Turn: (13.4 BB, 2 players) J
SB checks, Hero bets 11.37 BB and is all-in, SB calls 11.37 BB

River: (36.13 BB, 2 players) 2

Spoiler:
SB shows 8 K (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 57%, Flop 81%, Turn 0%)
Hero shows T 9 (Straight, King High) (Pre 43%, Flop 19%, Turn 100%)
Hero wins 36.13 BB


Is it ok to open here at this depth? I dont think i would normally from this position but just lost aa on other table all in pre very close to ft bubble so was tilted i think, but my image is tight on this table so maybe ok to open this?
perhaps i need more r/f hands at this depth?
12-01-2015 , 08:14 PM
Standard. I like checking/deciding better across KQx??? flops tho.

flop c/c turn c/smallrais are fun and prob most optimal.

(mid conns like 54ss-T9s are also excellent for rai/flatting 3b's)

toyourregularlyscheduledthread.
12-01-2015 , 10:35 PM
I'm surprised that its ok to open with this type of hand UTG+1, even with a larger stack? Are you gambling to a certain extent? (Implied odds). Most flops will make for a difficult decision OOP.

In a cash game this would be an average open.
12-02-2015 , 03:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kristofero
Standard. I like checking/deciding better across KQx??? flops tho.

flop c/c turn c/smallrais are fun and prob most optimal.

(mid conns like 54ss-T9s are also excellent for rai/flatting 3b's)

toyourregularlyscheduledthread.
can you explain why u think x/c flop in this spot is good?
you're x/c to hit a j 14 bb deep and without the odds to do so
(to clarify i'm not saying you're wrong, i'm intrested in your thinking process and why you think it's an ok line)
To me seems like a clear fold pre looking at stacks
12-02-2015 , 07:48 AM
I don't think that is a standard open. Borderline at best IMO. I think if you few BB shorter a shove is fine but your playing a speculative hand UTG that's likely to get 3bet shoved how can you make money with this?
12-02-2015 , 08:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yenolom
I don't think that is a standard open. Borderline at best IMO. I think if you few BB shorter a shove is fine but your playing a speculative hand UTG that's likely to get 3bet shoved how can you make money with this?
we're making money by our opponents not defending/3betting enough.

what are u suggesting about opening range here ? no open/fold range at all ? what u do with KQo ? open/fold obv ( i know its better hand to do this due to blockers )

biggest winners on 180s have more than 20 RFI EP


in this particular spot, i think it's good to open this hand

OR image is really tight for sure,and none will make nonoptimal play here vs him or exploit it by any means by 3betting him wider/etc, they can just be a more tight actually presuming his default UTG open range which usually obv screams for value, and this hand flops nice + it's ez to play ( ez fold if 3b raised... not like we open AJo and 10bb stack 3b shoves )
12-02-2015 , 09:18 AM
yeah im ordinarily pretty tight from early positions especially with these stack sizes so really my r/f range is pretty narrow maybe a10 aj kq 77-99. my r /c is actually very slightly larger 10 10+ aq ak (maybe aj vs some villains in this case probably just vs button).
I just dont open often here. so maybe i should have a greater r/f range if the table isn't to aggressive which it hasn't been.
Kristerfero- im interested why i wouldn't c bet this flop vs two callers where flop smashes my perceived range, and the blinds are fairly likely to have small pairs and suited connector type hands that just fold to a cbet here? your proposed line is to give up the betting lead float then c/r small on turn? I dont know what to think of this line its new to me. i guess we are repping a monster that smashes flop are we repping any turn no matter how dry/wet are we deep enough for this move? Is this flop ok for that? even with say kq and the qq kk sets im c betting here as flop is 2 tone and fairly likely broadway type hands have either top pair, 2nd pair or outs to broadway that can call. so your line is im guessing repping a set or kq as others may play it?
12-02-2015 , 12:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Madsaac
I'm surprised that its ok to open with this type of hand UTG+1, even with a larger stack? Are you gambling to a certain extent? (Implied odds). Most flops will make for a difficult decision OOP.

In a cash game this would be an average open.
Choose a spot. You're not opening T9s every time you're UTG+1. I'd rather open 87s than open AJs in EP because EP.
12-02-2015 , 12:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by thehive88
can you explain why u think x/c flop in this spot is good?
you're x/c to hit a j 14 bb deep and without the odds to do so
(to clarify i'm not saying you're wrong, i'm intrested in your thinking process and why you think it's an ok line)
To me seems like a clear fold pre looking at stacks
Blinds flatting instead of 3b range in these include a good amount of offsuit and drawy paint. x/c meaning I check behind flop IP, call turn, cram any action riv.

As played, line is fine. There simply are other ones against more competent opponents as you move up.
12-06-2015 , 01:05 PM
It's too weak to open particularly with their stats.

I like an open jam though if you haven't done one yet.

      
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