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3,5 45 man, left 5,shortstack decision 3,5 45 man, left 5,shortstack decision

10-29-2015 , 10:34 AM
hi guys do you think its shove with only 3 bb??
Hero (SB): 3,648 (3 bb)
BB: 14,264 (11.9 bb)
MP: 12,031 (10 bb)
CO: 25,022 (20.9 bb)
BTN: 12,535 (10.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T 6
3 folds, [color="red"] HERO?
10-29-2015 , 03:22 PM
If BB is tight and can fold sometimes - push, if calls with everything - fold.


Last edited by Andy1P; 10-29-2015 at 03:33 PM.
10-29-2015 , 07:05 PM
I would definitely shove this. the only time i wouldn't is if i thought the 10bb were likely to go to war with each other. if they are fish and are willing to flip despite icm considerations. but on most tables i shove were we only have one to get through but we might still have some fe. The 10 bb stacks would have to be pretty bad and aggro for me to fold this.
10-30-2015 , 09:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by URagnatha
I would definitely shove this. the only time i wouldn't is if i thought the 10bb were likely to go to war with each other. if they are fish and are willing to flip despite icm considerations. but on most tables i shove were we only have one to get through but we might still have some fe. The 10 bb stacks would have to be pretty bad and aggro for me to fold this.
what does mean some fe
?
10-30-2015 , 09:46 AM
thanks... villain has got vpip=17 pft=16 and 3bet=0 on 50 hands..so i prefer to shove...
10-30-2015 , 10:27 AM
some fe.
Its gto to call a2c hu with 2.6bb without icm considerations. so if villain was playing gto he would have some folds in his range at 3 bb ( you havent mentioned antes so i assuming there are none). our shove should have some fold equity vs villain.
Added to this many villains just insta fold hands that look junky like 10 3 o but that would be a nash call.
you are the shortlist stack and need to find a spot to gii. 106o is a nash shove hu at 5.7bb so any less then that its plus ev to shove according to gto. if there are antes in play you should shove even though the chance we have fe vs villain is now extremely negligible you still need to be getting this in as the pot would be a greater reward and thats not even counting the greater Fe you would have with future pushes if you double up.
10-30-2015 , 10:30 AM
Regarding 103o
I shouldnt of used a hand we actually dominate to illustrate point i was just puting one example hand that some villains fold from a range where most regs would call.
but yeah we can still get called by worse hands then our own.
10-31-2015 , 04:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lilantas
what does mean some fe
?
some fold equity
11-01-2015 , 05:10 AM
hate it, but push.
11-01-2015 , 07:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lilantas
what does mean some fe
?
Sorry i thought you were questioning if any fold equity existed in this spot at this very shallow stack depth.

if you were questioning the abbreviation then id better explain what is meant by some other terms i used.

GTO -game theory optimal. ill try an be brief but this is a solved situation where a participant cant increase his expected value (E.V) by deviating from this unexploitable strategy. Basically if you are playing a person/persons playing a GTO strategy then the best you can do is also play a GTO strategy.

Nash. as in Nash Equilibrium this is the optimal solution for a given game where any deviation on our part from this equilibrium will be a loss of E.V for us and a gain in E.V for our opponent assuming they are still playing nash vs us.

GTO is just an unexploitable game style. In most situation vs most villains its greater EV to play exploitatively. Tailoring our decisions to gain E.V by exploiting our opponents exploitable tendencies.

I only really use nash when hu vs a reg. (or vs anyone when under 5bb) Either when we our last two or in sb vs bb confrontations when its not opened before the sb gets to act.

Obviously if its sb vs bb with other players already folded we have to also consider I.C.M. and other considerations like how other people that have folded are likely to play in future hands etc

Have a look at nash push/calling ranges for heads up play. These charts are in various poker books or obtainable on the net. I keep one by my computer for easy viewing and gives a good benchmark with which to work vs regs when shallow stacked. Its where i obtained the value 5.7 bb for 106o shove that i referred to. but by constantly looking you do get a ball park point of view for hand values in regards to a nash equilibrium.

Two years ago many regs would shove a2c (any two cards ) from sb when under 10bb. This was widely regarded as plus E.V. as the player pools were folding there big blind to wide and the sb shoves were profitable due to fold equity regardless of their actual holding. Now with players learning nash or just learning in a non mathematical sense then sb's are shoving wider the big blinds in the player pool are adjusting and calling wider.

This reduces the sb's F.E on his shoves and therefore the S.B's are adjusting by incorparating more open folds into their hand ranges. Its these adjustment over time in a player pool which means players actions are drifting towards a nash equilibrium.

Hope this helps and ive explained it ok.
11-01-2015 , 02:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fidstar-poker
hate it, but push.
Come on. Junk races are fun.
11-02-2015 , 07:01 PM
thanks guys really thank youuuu

      
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