I follow OMG posts all the time (As i do with several others 2+2ers) and i can certify this

+1

lol

lol this forum tilts me, 3.7k deciding?? folding?? my god this is such an easy jam stop leveling yourselves ppl.

When I saw this thread was still going I assumed it had derailed. I was right!

Me personally I like the fact we get different answers. If there was only one correct way to play a hand then texas holdem would have been solved years ago!

I like the fact some people go into a lot of details and some dont. Makes me think about the hand more.

As for if someone is being rude or not. Its the written word, people can take it so many ways. Coming from a management background, having written too many contractual letters to remember, the amount of times the same letter / corresondence is taken completely different by two people is amazing.

And also its the internet people. People are going to rub you the wrong way...

tl;dr valuejam
77/88 would be interesting

OK - Jamming is fair enough and quite possibly best. But why are you so closed minded? It's this sort of ignorance that tilts me...
What don't you like about 3700/deciding?

There's simply no way shoving > 3betting. Fish do all sorts of ****. OR can easily fold 88, KJs to a shove but think he has 4bet FE with it, or better still, flat and do something spazzy on a missed flop. Players behind can easily fold ATs,88 to a shove but cold 4b shove it instead because fish work in very mysterious and oddball ways. I meeeeeeeeeeeeeeean

Just raising sucks if villain has 22 33 44 55 66 77 88 99 TT AK AQ KQ, and there probably aren't a ton of other hands that villain makes this raise with. (Besides AA/KK/QQ/JJ, which villain gets in pre anyway).

You can see how "3700/decide" doesn't really sound like you're planning to induce though right? And it's certainly not Robinho's intention when 3-betting small. I think that's why many people were like, WTF.

Your argument to induce with JJ is predicated on the fact that there are a heap of fish behind still to act. Who's to say? 3700 looks stronger than a jam to a lot of players IMO. There are situations where 3700 could fold out hands that may call a shove, too.

3700 and folding to a 4bet from the deeper stacks behind is acceptable, 3700 to decide against the 15bb opener is god awful. But lets not forget we are in a $3 game against a random who is 3xing (which is 99.999999% a fish) lets not over think simple spots where it is not necessary.

Yeah, you've hit it right on the nose. I think on page 2 or something of this thread I explained that "decide" mean fold to cold raises, because our 3700 raise looks so strong, and most villains behind would expect this to be weighted towards KK/AA. We are inducing vs OR as he already has some money in the pot, and like SngNit says, it's quite feasible that we can get smaller pairs and broadways to 4-bet shove. The reason for the small sizing is to give villain the illusion of FE.

wat

you saw that OR 3x from EP right?
you saw that the eff stack on the table is like 13-15BB, right?

No. Effective stacks are up to 23BB (our stack when considering BTN and BB). We can't ignore players left to act.

BBs combined / players on the table = table average stack

Effective stack is not the same as the table average stack surely?