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Old 02-21-2012, 01:09 PM   #1
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$3 45man - 9 left, extremely short

    Poker Stars, $3 Buy-in (400/800 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11942712

    SB: 8,615 (10.8 bb)
    BB: 21,239 (26.5 bb)
    UTG+1: 8,965 (11.2 bb)
    UTG+2: 6,759 (8.4 bb)
    MP1: 6,896 (8.6 bb)
    MP2: 8,092 (10.1 bb)
    Hero (MP3): 2,444 (3.1 bb)
    CO: 2,482 (3.1 bb)
    BTN: 2,008 (2.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 6 8
    4 folds, Hero ?




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    No FE, is this a standard push?
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    Old 02-21-2012, 06:41 PM   #2
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    Re: $3 45man - 9 left, extremely short

    THat's probably the bottom my suited gappers im boombing away.

    NH run better next time
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    Old 02-21-2012, 06:54 PM   #3
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    Re: $3 45man - 9 left, extremely short

    I wouldn't,
    4 more hands till blinds hit you.
    U might get a better hand ( u can't get much worst ) ,you will not have much FE anyway but maybe U might get players with 8 or so BB to fold, and u might get lucky if other two short stacks decide to push and get busted out.
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    Old 02-22-2012, 02:30 PM   #4
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    Re: $3 45man - 9 left, extremely short

    Standard push,u have 3 BB,3!!!

    Post above info is very misinformed and wrong on so many levels.

    wait for a better hand with 3 bb....LOL
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    Old 02-22-2012, 02:36 PM   #5
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    Re: $3 45man - 9 left, extremely short

    Easy shove, if you don't get ul and are dominated by A8 etc you will have good equity vs AK, AQ, KQ...etc. I prefer shoving 86s over A rag or K rag because you are dominated way less. Not to mention you have 40% of a str flush
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    Old 02-22-2012, 03:35 PM   #6
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    Re: $3 45man - 9 left, extremely short

    shove.
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    Old 02-23-2012, 07:17 PM   #7
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    Re: $3 45man - 9 left, extremely short

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    Standard push,u have 3 BB,3!!!

    Post above info is very misinformed and wrong on so many levels.

    wait for a better hand with 3 bb....LOL
    Can u at least explain one of those levels to me, I am wiling to learn.

    My point was that in the next 4 hands he will still have 3BB left and perhaps get a better chance, and he might have some FE with the 8BB's.

    and "you have 40% of a str flush "... Well, u have a 40% of a full house with any two cards, why wait until u r down to 3BB, just push...
    Problem is that the missing 60% don't come very often.

    And btw, even winning that hand and getting to 6,5 BB still leaves you with some work before getting ITM
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    Old 02-23-2012, 07:55 PM   #8
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    Re: $3 45man - 9 left, extremely short

    i never said the striaght flush thing,this is an easy push its that simple.

    do you know how difficult it is to pick up a hand in poker? so while were basically on big blind support you want to "wait" around 3 more hands to see if we get a good one?? lol.

    so what happens if the next 3 hands we get,92. 4 6 10 6? happy with ur wait then? uv played alot of hands to the point ur at now and u have 3bb,relly think the nuts are coming in the next 3? waiting for better hands in this spot is -ev long term imo
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    Old 02-24-2012, 12:01 AM   #9
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    Re: $3 45man - 9 left, extremely short

    Very close decision to me. I think I fold because I don't have fold equity and 68s is below a random hand(this is the decisive point imo),blinds are no close and the other short stack could now push and bust himself. Then if I get t6o(above a random hand) in the next hand it will be an easy open push.
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    Old 02-24-2012, 01:17 AM   #10
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    Re: $3 45man - 9 left, extremely short

    I'm probably holding out two more hands, shoving on the lower stacks. It's ATC really, 6 8 suited. You might get a fold against someone with 8 BBs this is a $3 tourney...
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    Old 02-24-2012, 12:40 PM   #11
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    Re: $3 45man - 9 left, extremely short

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    i never said the striaght flush thing,this is an easy push its that simple.

    do you know how difficult it is to pick up a hand in poker? so while were basically on big blind support you want to "wait" around 3 more hands to see if we get a good one?? lol.

    so what happens if the next 3 hands we get,92. 4 6 10 6? happy with ur wait then? uv played alot of hands to the point ur at now and u have 3bb,relly think the nuts are coming in the next 3? waiting for better hands in this spot is -ev long term imo
    I understand your point, but still I would prefer pushing 6 10o against 8BB where u just might get a fold then pushing 68s against 25BB and get called for sure. And having in mind that the other two short stacks have to push as well, and might get busted out.

    And poker stove says that 10 6o has exactly the same chance against a random hand as 86s, u are 46% - 53% dog
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    Old 02-24-2012, 01:22 PM   #12
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    Re: $3 45man - 9 left, extremely short

    Shove, your hand is not that bad and does kind of well against higher unpaired cards. At this moment you have already lost your fold equity. Hard to find a better spot than this one, unless you wait for a better hand, which I guess it is not a good idea, because it is not likely that you will be dealt a good hand.
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    Old 02-24-2012, 03:24 PM   #13
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    Re: $3 45man - 9 left, extremely short

    Dosnt make or break whatever u do.
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    Old 02-26-2012, 06:00 PM   #14
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    Re: $3 45man - 9 left, extremely short

    3 bbs = blind out i think you are defo all in here. Thought you should not get blind out by being afraid to push wide with under 8 bbs in the right position. Stack is the key imao
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    Old 02-27-2012, 04:33 PM   #15
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    Re: $3 45man - 9 left, extremely short

    I would easily shove here. Although you basically have no fold equity against the BB, you do have an awful lot against the SB. The SB has to worry about the big stack in the BB so you should end up against a random near 100% hand in the BB, not bad with 86s. Also if one of the other shorties calls these players are your main targets to beat so this is not that bad a result. You may double through one of these, likely to start as a 60 40 dog against them but you need luck with so little game equity. Plus the BB may drop say 30% of hands without even a showdown
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