I am having trouble with small PP in spots where overcalling might seem correct.
I did the math and stoved for generic ranges and the call seems ok provided my ranges are not way off and the math is correct.

Hand 1) Still many players left, therefore looking for the +cEV play


77 on the BB with 7bb

There is a suspicious raise from an EP shortstack.

Another EP player just flats the raise omg!

Both have us covered.

If we fold we have 1700 chips remaining.

If we shove and assume nither one will ever fold we risk 1700 to win 4650 so our break even equity is 26% in a 3way pot.

4650 = 650 from blinds and antes + 2x2000 from each opponent

UTG+2: 28.822% 28.00% 00.82% 52003964496 1521598596.00 { 66+, A3s+, K7s+, Q8s+, J9s+, T9s, A8o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo }
MP1: 43.127% 42.37% 00.76% 78683021412 1407105090.00 { 88+, AJs+, AJo+ }
Hero: 28.051% 27.89% 00.16% 51798515964 295546362.00 { 77 }

Hope I didn't make a mistake in the math.

Are villains ranges an acceptable assumption?

Obviously very villain dependant what ranges they have. Any reads on villains would help, but I think both plays looks really strong by default.

I think a random villain 3x'ing from a 14BB stack in EP will have a way tighter range than you've assigned. He might also play (QQ)KK+ in a different way. He will probably have a lot of middle-high pairs, and some broadwaycombos.

The flat looks even stronger. I think villain2 will probably shove hands like 77-JJ and toss the lower ones. He'll probably shove AK, AQ, maybe AJ aswell PF. This leaves a flatrange of QQ+. Unless he knows how strong it looks and want to discourage action behind as he's basically all-in. In that case, your range applies.

You should fold 77 here readless, and shove if you have a few hands on both that proves they do no stacksize considerations at all. Mostly fold though.

Well put, only i disagree about your "no read" assumption, with no read one should assume a random playing micro SNG is a retard. if either villain is a capable reg this is a fold, if both are randoms a jam is extreamly profitable IMHO

2s are becoming surprisingly reginfested. Although not the best regs, a lot seem to have some idea of ranges.

Not saying any of these are decent or even regs. Especially the first play looks pretty bad. Villain 2 is the most important to have reads on in this spot. If he has anything like 10/10 over as little 30-40 hands, I think it's a fold. If he has 30/0 or something, it's a shove imo. Two extremes obviously, but still.

i noticed even the Regs in 2$s while they know what jam-fold ranges are (at least in concept) their idea of stack utilization is terribad, FWIW i've seen regs open 2.5-3X from EP with ~10bb stacks and folding to jams, or set minning with middle pair with affective stacks that are a far cry from a +ev set minning. but the main thing is OP considers them both as rendoms, and against 2$ randoms i never fold there.

He didn't mention reads on either. OP might be without a HUD.

Any reason to shove here is because of the 7bb stack in BB. If he can assign a strong flatting range on flatter, it's a fold. Opener might even fold to the 7bb reshove though, so I can see how this looks like a +cEV, snapjam.

It's all player dependant though.

Thanks for your responses. I agree to many of the arguments. This hand is from a hh review I made for friend. Hero did fold the hand and we had a dispute over it, he plays without a HUD. Villains showed JT and AQ repectively.

I agree that shoving without reads seems profitable in a 2.50, especially on weekends.

youre utg1 range is wayyyyyyyyy to wide. this guys isnt raising Q7s/K8s.


just jam.