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08-14-2011 , 06:43 AM

Fangwui

enthusiast

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 96

Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (800/1,600 blinds, 150 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10269432

SB: 43,583 (27.2 bb)
BB: 38,718 (24.2 bb)
MP: 21,955 (13.7 bb)
Hero (CO): 27,056 (16.9 bb)
BTN: 19,190 (12 bb)

Preflop: (750) Hero is CO with A

MP folds, Hero raises to 3,299, BTN folds, SB raises to 9,999, BB folds, Hero raises to 26,906 and is all-in, SB calls 16,907

Flop: (56,162) J

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: (56,162) 4

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (56,162) 3

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

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Anybody plays this differently vs an unknown that is shown to be loose with calling shoves after committing a certain amount of chips pre? He snapped a cold 3bet shove after flatting shortstack's 7bb push for 2/3 of his stack a few hands before with JTo and cracked AK.

08-14-2011 , 06:54 AM

ClickeyMouse

newbie

Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 26

Situations sucks and alot more than if he just had shoved I would snap call and be happy about it but this small comitting reraise is just so strong if I at some point let my hand go it would to a raise like this:

pros: 5handed AQ, top heavy payout structure

cons: villain shows max strength, left with a playable stack

In the end I hope I fold this..

08-14-2011 , 07:20 AM

S. Nejra

journeyman

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 221

don't show the results..

But I think I fold, I would 4bet to a smaller 3bet tho (without giving good arguments for it)

08-14-2011 , 07:57 AM

Fangwui

enthusiast

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 96

But it feels so wrong to play AQ like any other hand that steals and folds to a 3bet. Although yeah this 3bet isn't a shove and reps a ton of strength.

08-14-2011 , 08:47 AM

PAROOVKA

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 405

In $2 180 I always ship it without thinking too much. No reason to turn AQ into a bluff here, really. Nh sir and start another one.

08-14-2011 , 10:25 AM

Fangwui

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Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 96

Not being results oriented because I ran into KK, just thought it would be an interesting spot and wanted to see if anyone else would play it differently just because the 3bet reeks of so much strength.

08-14-2011 , 01:15 PM

gpzann10

stranger

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 5

With your stack size in comparison to the blinds and opponents stack sizes, i agree that it was an all in or fold situation after being 3 bet, however due to the opponents position, raise size, and the fact that you would still have a decent amount of chips to work with you could have made the fold, and looked for a better spot. 15bb stacks in this spot are great to shove over the top of a pre flop raiser with alot of big A's and pocket pairs.

08-15-2011 , 11:38 AM

kidcharisma1

adept

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,100

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAROOVKA

In $2 180 I always ship it without thinking too much. No reason to turn AQ into a bluff here, really. Nh sir and start another one.

I'm open shoving.

08-15-2011 , 05:34 PM

Camzace

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,351

Lol I'm always r/cing this to induce. We got exactly what we want. His line DOES look a lot stronger than an open shove over your raise but that doesn't mean we ever fold this

08-16-2011 , 11:48 AM

#10

Fangwui

enthusiast

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 96

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camzace

Lol I'm always r/cing this to induce. We got exactly what we want. His line DOES look a lot stronger than an open shove over your raise but that doesn't mean we ever fold this

I was thinking along these lines, usually don't ever r/c to induce but this table was really spewy. Just unlucky I guess.

08-16-2011 , 03:02 PM

#11

sayakmitra

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 635

If SB/BB calls a lot of raise I am up for open shoving. But in this situation I am shipping it in anyway.

08-16-2011 , 09:35 PM

#12

TomoDaK

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 5,837

His raise does look pretty strong, but you gots to get it in imo

Shoving pre seems terrible in comparison to raise/call. I mean you get the $2 fish to flat all sorts of goofy as ****, Ax and broadways that fold to a shove can shove back, you can raise/call 1 shove but fold to 2!! So much better ffs

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