Villian stats: 16/13 (19 on CO) after 326 hands.

Is it worth to call here and possibly flip for most of my stack or sometimes dominate 80/20?

Would You call?

Poker Stars $2.28+$0.22 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t800/t1600 Blinds + t150 - 5 players - View hand 2466777
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Hero (BB): t33476 M = 10.63
UTG: t9321 M = 2.96
CO: t26833 M = 8.52
BTN: t8130 M = 2.58
SB: t17353 M = 5.51

Pre Flop: (t3150) Hero is BB with 8 8
1 fold, CO raises to t26683 all in, 2 folds, Hero?

looks like a snap call to me?

with only 5 players and 9M villains range is pretty huge there

You shouldn't think about it as sometimes dominate him 80/20 or sometimes flip. It is a little too simple. There are so many more possibilities here.

Considerations:

1- Is villain a reg or rec.
2- Does villain view you as a reg or rec, or even consider it.
3- Does villain have the ability to realize the ICM implications of the stack dynamic.
* ie. ICM wise he has to have a pretty strong hand to be shoving into you with the other small stacks at the table.
4- Does villain think you have the ability to realize the ICM implications of the stack dynamic.
* ie. does he think you would realize he needs a pretty strong range here.
5- If you both realize the implications of ICM, does villain have metagame skills to give shoving with a weaker range a shot? "the old I know, that you know, that I know, that you know game."
6- These are the kinds of questions, in game, that you need to quickly assign values to in order to range a guy in this situation. Sure we can look at his stats and say hmm, he is pretty tight over 300 hands or weak loose or whatever, but... with that in mind, how many of those 300 hands have taken place in this kind of unique situation? We really need to range him as accurately as possible.
7- Without any good reads, generally 88 is a pretty good hand to be calling with here, you need to be strong to be calling obviously, and 88 is a hand that falls into the bottom of what some people call, "the magic range" of hands that are usually playable in situations like this. I am usually happier shoving than calling but I think you can call here no problems.

(9.0%) 77+,A9s+,ATo+,KQs is a reasonable call range here if its a 180man and about 15 plyrs left

all the above considered, it would be helpful to know what kind of MTTSNG it is and how many players left.

It it pokerstars 180 man turbo. I think there are 10-11 players left.

Villian is a decent reg and definitely aware of ICM. Didn't find any notes on this guy and it was way back so I don't remember. Openjamming makes his range look a lot weaker than mr/c so i guess calling here with 88 is mandatory.

I call, a lot of villians won't have qq+ here as they would min raise that. Much more likely to have Ax, 22-jj and against that range we are doing pretty well.

Obviously any read we have villian could make this fold or a snap call.

I'd definitely call here his range should be pretty wide in this spot, especially if he's a reg

snap, a reg won't openshove 15bb with the top of his range...

if only poker was this easy
I could always fold if a reg minraised and call if they shoved ...
makes no sense at all

lol cmon... a reg on f2t of a 180 isn't gonna induce with the top of his range? It's 16.7bb, not 15 so that makes it even more likely that he's not gonna just stick in AQo+/99+

same reply?
I'm not sticking in any hands with 16.7bb, but I'd rather do it with AA than 72o (or AJs, 67s, ...)

pre FT I call. FT I sigh fold probably. Interesting to see what hand villain shoves, because that range should really be capped. Great spot to minraise fold or call.

I gave villain this range JJ-22,AJs-A8s,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,AJo-A9o,KJo+. So you have 56% eq. You need to have 46% to break even. If he pushes wider... better. You know I don't think that you have a stack so big man. I mean the av stack in the final table is 27000. This is a spot where I'm leaning towards a call. If on the other hand you win this spot you will be in a great shape for the first 3. Why to wait for a better spot?

pretty generally lame statement.

A good reg will adjust for the situation. That's what make a good reg.

And if the situation predicates that an open shove with the top of my range is the correct play vs let's say a player like you that thinks I for sure won't open shove the top of my range then I am jamming into you to downplay the strength of my hand.

A lame reg follows a script that says, I can't openshove 15BB with the top of my range so I better min raise induce every time. That's what regs do.

I should never think about balancing my range vs other regs.
Or playing polarized ranges in certain situation.
God forbid I should make my style of play difficult to play against or read, otherwise I would not be considered a reg.
Geez, what if I 3x'd instead of 2.25x like I have for the last 10 opens just to mix it up, that would be wrong.
What if I got creative and did the old, non all in all in? Can't have that.

sorry a little sarcastic, but we need to be constantly thinking and not following a script. Busting out of your comfort zone as a friend of mine says is vital to progression.

Guys... I'm not suggesting just following a script but you need to always give your villian a range as accurate as you can.

Is it going to happen that he has the top of his range? Yeah obv it will, but it's not gonna be the default play by villain.

So if you want, give him a few combos of the top of his range, but why the **** would we assume he always has these hands in his range when openshoving the top of your range at f2t isn't the optimal play at all?

you say you don't suggest following a script, but continue to us words like "default play" and categorically state that "openshoving the top of your range at f2t is not the optimal play at all." !

I am just arguing that sometimes it IS the optimal play. I think I outlined that quite clearly it can be.

It just sounds like you prefer to simplify your decisions based on general observation, which I get. Keep it simple stupid.

But, if you want to play the game at a high level, we need to constantly eliminate scripts, general notions and adjust to player before they adjust to you.

Knowing that most regs won't open shove the top of their range with 15.6BB or whatever is valuable information, I get it. Deviating from that when the situation presents itself is how we move from 1st and 2nd level thinking to higher metagame thoughts as a more frequent application of in game decision making.