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05-18-2012 , 07:10 PM
I´ve created this thread to try to fix eventuall leaks in my early/mid game.

I have two examples, just post answers with the number each scenario represents.

1. 10/20 blinds. Just a couple of hands in , it folds to you UTG+2. What ranges do you have for raising here? I´d say that mine is around AJs+, AQ+, 88+. Is that way to tight?

2. 10/20 or 15/30 blinds. Lets say UTG+2 raises standard 3x and you´re sitting on the CO, what is your calling range here? I´d say mine is AQ, 22+, since I´m probably 3-betting AK,TT+. Thoughts about that?

Oh yeah! 3rd question. The basic thing early in low/mid stakes SNGs is not to spew of chips, so how do you do with low pocket pairs ? I´ve often found myself folding the lower ones, cause I don´t wanna spew of chips. Thoughts?

Hoping for some nice thoughts about this, cheers!
05-18-2012 , 08:14 PM
I think you're on the right lines if you are starting out or unsure about you're game.

As you get more confident and experienced you can widen these ranges out a bit, depending on your ability to play your hands post flop if you have to, or take alternative lines based on game flow, opponents, how many games you're in etc.

Pocket pairs you can call for set value, providing you're getting a mix of immediate & implied odds around 12-16/1. This is 8/1 to hit your set and the rest to allow for times you don't get paid or get beat. Generally, the tougher the opponent the harder it will be for you to get then to put their stack in behind and vice versa for weak players.
05-18-2012 , 08:19 PM
1. i think that you can also open a few hands like 89s and AXs what you think about that
2. i think that in 2.50 180 mans you can 3bet AQ as people stack off with AJ,A10 in those way to much. I think that your calling range should be AJ and 22+ also add some suited connectors. What would you say about that.
3. If you are getting the right price to set mine whether it be implied odds or current odds call. But fold when you miss even if the flop is dry and you feel you have the best hand just fold don't get into a silly spot.

Hopefully this helps wouldn't mind if you give me feedback on the range i kind of laid out
05-18-2012 , 08:21 PM
Yeah, I wouldn´t consider myself a new guy to the SNG stage. This was more of a post just to check for leaks, since it can´t hurt you.

What do you think about the lower pocket pair in early position ? My experience in the lower SNGs is that when you get flatted, which is very often and miss the flop you can´t really C-bet profitably , cause most villains don´t understand that they should fold, way more then they do. So it ends up with you losing around 100-isch chips mostly since they just switch on the calling station. And I HATE open limping so therefor I often find myself folding them .
05-18-2012 , 08:29 PM
Yeah Bdel I see your point. But the thing with these stakes is that I feel that it is more value in preserving your stack early on then it is mixing in SC in your range (since most guys don´t have a clue about ranges) , since peoples shoving/calling ranges when the blinds creep up are way to tight and is more exploitable.

That´s my general opinion I think. The higher the stakes, the more you have to balance your range and I feel that it is there suited connectors really fit in. You just don´t have the same semibluff/double barrel opportunities in these stakes

Does that make sense?
05-18-2012 , 08:50 PM
very very much so i think i understand but i just mean when your like 50+bb deep in late position there will be tones of pot you pick up pre or of many flops i understand what you mean though. Do you have a chart or something that you go by in certain positions or do you just go off what you think is correct.
05-18-2012 , 09:06 PM
I forgot to mention that I play turbos Otherwise I will raise a ton of hands in late position. I do have a chart that show push/callranges for 5-20BBs with/without antes. But I don´t really have it up all the time. Got it in my head pretty good by now, and for it to be 100% correct, they villain would have to follow it aswell. Since most villains call way tighter, I can shove wider.
05-18-2012 , 09:16 PM
Did you find the chart on a site if so please let me know where really trying to sharpen up the shoving ranges going through bit of a downswing at $2.50 180 mans please any help is appreciated.
05-18-2012 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by SaitzEV
And I HATE open limping so therefor I often find myself folding them .
Why hate open limping? Especially early in a low stakes game its can be a useful so if you get someone re-raising with an unpredictable wide range, you can still see a flop fairly cheaply.

Most of the time you won't be getting that many small pairs in ep that you have to call/fold to significantly reduce your stack but I try and keep mine above 1200. In smaller field sngs I might give some up, but in a 45 or 180 these are good for the accumulation of chips.
05-19-2012 , 07:01 AM
Wow, I'm such a nit in the early stages!
05-19-2012 , 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by bdel94
Did you find the chart on a site if so please let me know where really trying to sharpen up the shoving ranges going through bit of a downswing at $2.50 180 mans please any help is appreciated.
No, I didn´t. A friend of mine sent it to me, and he got it from a relative that plays poker for a living, high stakes MTTs. So can´t really help you out sry
05-20-2012 , 12:40 AM
1, 22+,A2s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J7s+,T7s+,97s+,87s,76s,ATo+,KJo +,QJo

2, is fine.
05-20-2012 , 06:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SaitzEV
I´ve created this thread to try to fix eventuall leaks in my early/mid game.

I have two examples, just post answers with the number each scenario represents.

1. 10/20 blinds. Just a couple of hands in , it folds to you UTG+2. What ranges do you have for raising here? I´d say that mine is around AJs+, AQ+, 88+. Is that way to tight?

not raising ajs,were only getting called by better imo, and not 88,but everything above that is fine imo

2. 10/20 or 15/30 blinds. Lets say UTG+2 raises standard 3x and you´re sitting on the CO, what is your calling range here? I´d say mine is AQ, 22+, since I´m probably 3-betting AK,TT+. Thoughts about that?

fine,prob wouldnt 3bet 10s,would with jj+ obv

Oh yeah! 3rd question. The basic thing early in low/mid stakes SNGs is not to spew of chips, so how do you do with low pocket pairs ? I´ve often found myself folding the lower ones, cause I don´t wanna spew of chips. Thoughts?

just limp,if you hit a set take them to value town,if you dont just fold,and dont called 3 bets with small pairs imo,only upto a 100 i call with small pairs
Hoping for some nice thoughts about this, cheers!

wp
05-20-2012 , 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by SngNit
1, 22+,A2s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J7s+,T7s+,97s+,87s,76s,ATo+,KJo +,QJo

2, is fine.

jesus,iv seen 2 posts from you on this forum,stop,thats a terrible range.completely terrible
05-20-2012 , 11:01 AM
lol prop bet me any time you like bud
05-21-2012 , 11:55 AM
Like raising range in EP. Also I think its profitable to limp stuff like KQs, QJs and TJs with 75+bb.
I wouldnt 3bet TT otherwise I think you're spot on. You must have some very smart friends.

Last edited by axelkyl; 05-21-2012 at 12:01 PM.
05-21-2012 , 12:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SaitzEV
I´ve created this thread to try to fix eventuall leaks in my early/mid game.

I have two examples, just post answers with the number each scenario represents.

1. 10/20 blinds. Just a couple of hands in , it folds to you UTG+2. What ranges do you have for raising here? I´d say that mine is around AJs+, AQ+, 88+. Is that way to tight?

2. 10/20 or 15/30 blinds. Lets say UTG+2 raises standard 3x and you´re sitting on the CO, what is your calling range here? I´d say mine is AQ, 22+, since I´m probably 3-betting AK,TT+. Thoughts about that?

Oh yeah! 3rd question. The basic thing early in low/mid stakes SNGs is not to spew of chips, so how do you do with low pocket pairs ? I´ve often found myself folding the lower ones, cause I don´t wanna spew of chips. Thoughts?

Hoping for some nice thoughts about this, cheers!
I never call preflop in an MTTSNG apart from with low pocket pairs early on to set mine or even later on if its vs a big stack and Im getting the right odds. . Maybe at the final table with AK/AQ if I'm a big stack vs another big stack raise and there are a couple of short stacks. Apart from that I just raise/reraise or fold pre. Calling sucks.
05-21-2012 , 12:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SngNit
1, 22+,A2s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J7s+,T7s+,97s+,87s,76s,ATo+,KJo +,QJo

2, is fine.
this is lolbad.
05-21-2012 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by SngNit
lol prop bet me any time you like bud
I'm not sure if prop bet means what you think it means.
05-21-2012 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by timeforheroes
I never call preflop in an MTTSNG apart from with low pocket pairs early on to set mine or even later on if its vs a big stack and Im getting the right odds. . Maybe at the final table with AK/AQ if I'm a big stack vs another big stack raise and there are a couple of short stacks. Apart from that I just raise/reraise or fold pre. Calling sucks.
Hmm, I see your point, but lets say UTG+3 raises. If you´re sitting on BU, what do you do with AQ ? Feels wrong to either 3bet or fold?
05-21-2012 , 02:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by timeforheroes
I'm not sure if prop bet means what you think it means.
Google "proposition bet" sir.
05-21-2012 , 02:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SngNit
Google "proposition bet" sir.
two 180 men regs have said your range are terrible,but ye your probably correct and were wrong.

lol,please play those ranges against me next time im at ur table
05-21-2012 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by SaitzEV
Hmm, I see your point, but lets say UTG+3 raises. If you´re sitting on BU, what do you do with AQ ? Feels wrong to either 3bet or fold?
I fold AQ. Maybe if I was a better hand reader I'd play it but folding saves me getting value towned post flop.
05-21-2012 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by mynameis69
two 180 men regs have said your range are terrible,but ye your probably correct and were wrong.

lol,please play those ranges against me next time im at ur table
Is "two 180 regs" supposed to mean something considering 95% of them around here are terrible? If you were at my stakes I would've been raising them vs you every day. When you move up lookout for the 26/21 guy (unfiltered)
05-22-2012 , 05:45 AM
"My range is bigger than your range" etc etc

      
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