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Old 06-01-2012, 01:51 AM   #16
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Re: 2.5 180 77 sb vs shove from reg (semi FT)

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UTG+Winning Reg+11BB = 88+,AQ+

i fold, best case scenario is a flip....
What a nit this winning reg is
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Old 06-01-2012, 02:29 AM   #17
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Re: 2.5 180 77 sb vs shove from reg (semi FT)

cause open jamming 44 there is profitable......
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Old 06-01-2012, 04:19 AM   #18
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cause open jamming 44 there is profitable......
Right, any pair is profitable in that spot, especially when people are folding 77 in the SB to the jam :P.
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Old 06-01-2012, 04:30 AM   #19
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Re: 2.5 180 77 sb vs shove from reg (semi FT)

so your saying you have no edge? and feel you need to take every flip that you can.
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Old 06-01-2012, 04:58 AM   #20
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Re: 2.5 180 77 sb vs shove from reg (semi FT)

So you're saying you're able to calculate your edge in a way that makes 22 a fold in that spot? You either overrate your edge or are just misreading the hand here. +cev lines, being a shove or a call, are never a flip. A flip is neutral ev.
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Old 06-01-2012, 05:01 AM   #21
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Re: 2.5 180 77 sb vs shove from reg (semi FT)

You are over estimating a regs range here. 66+ KQ+ is a good solid range here. lets see you beat 66, everything else you are a dog to or a flip. If you enjoy variance call....
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Old 06-01-2012, 06:41 AM   #22
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Re: 2.5 180 77 sb vs shove from reg (semi FT)

66+ KQ+ is a godawful range here. No good reg should ever be this tight. I would be amazed if a reg is not at least jamming 22+, suited broadways and suited aces in this spot. If he isn't then that's his leak really. I'm not advising anyone to even call light in the spot. 77 is just a really good hand here. I don't understand at all the reasoning for folding. I fail to realise how variance should affect any decision we make, ever, in 180s. One of us is just dead wrong.
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Old 06-01-2012, 06:57 AM   #23
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Re: 2.5 180 77 sb vs shove from reg (semi FT)

Nash shows the following range for UTG:

17.6%, 22+ A8s+ A5s ATo+ K9s+ KJo+ Q9s+ QJo J9s+ T9s 98s

so in reality people should push 20%+ in this spot since almost nobody calls as wide as he should according to Nash. But as we can see in this thread many regs shove way tighter so I would personally fold the 77 without knowing more about the specific reg.
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Old 06-01-2012, 06:59 AM   #24
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Re: 2.5 180 77 sb vs shove from reg (semi FT)

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But as we can see in this thread many regs shove way tighter so I would personally fold the 77 without knowing more about the specific reg.
+1.
Only calling a reg who I've got marked as being wide.
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Old 06-01-2012, 07:04 AM   #25
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Re: 2.5 180 77 sb vs shove from reg (semi FT)

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66+ KQ+ is a godawful range here. No good reg should ever be this tight. I would be amazed if a reg is not at least jamming 22+, suited broadways and suited aces in this spot. If he isn't then that's his leak really.
So thats ur range UTG here?
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Old 06-01-2012, 07:46 AM   #26
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Re: 2.5 180 77 sb vs shove from reg (semi FT)

Yes it is. Maybe other stuff too.
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Re: 2.5 180 77 sb vs shove from reg (semi FT)

+1 to good reg's range should be way wider than suggested itt.
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Re: 2.5 180 77 sb vs shove from reg (semi FT)

he shoves here 22+ for sure, call
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Old 06-02-2012, 07:30 PM   #29
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Re: 2.5 180 77 sb vs shove from reg (semi FT)

fold. -ev as worst case 88+ and AQ+. at the best it's a flip. just like one of the posts above mentioned.
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