PokerStars - $3.30+$0.20|5000/10000 Ante 1000 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (MP): 136,298
MP+1: 100,294 (VPIP: 13.04, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 13.04, Hands: 70)
CO: 117,730 (VPIP: 22.45, PFR: 22.50, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 49)
BTN: 89,560 (VPIP: 19.04, PFR: 17.03, 3Bet Preflop: 6.94, Hands: 1,366)
SB: 66,442 (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 23.68, 3Bet Preflop: 18.18, Hands: 57)
BB: 45,346 (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 57)
UTG: 151,126 (VPIP: 11.76, PFR: 9.76, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 51)
UTG+1: 76,704 (VPIP: 19.61, PFR: 11.70, 3Bet Preflop: 5.71, Hands: 105)

8 players post ante of 1,000, SB posts SB 5,000, BB posts BB 10,000

Pre Flop: (pot: 23,000) Hero has Q A

UTG raises to 30,000, fold, fold, Hero?

Treat it as a shove?

Yeah villain probably never 3x folds here from utg so fe on a shove would be an illusion.

Would villain do this with the bottom of his paired range that could get called and see a flop it probably wont like?

Possibly I mean I'm not thinking we should skew his range aware from low mid pairs as much as if he had 2x but with a smaller stack showing a similar level of commitment. ( meaning bb is more likely to call utg but fe on our shove is still an illusion)

I'm thinking his 3x may be slightly stronger then a shove?

Anyway even treating as a shove Villain is UTG 8 handed and looking at the stack sizes of this table alone and this looking late gamish we seam to have a significant bf with Villain. I think I make a tight fold here either way.

From one hand this 3x may be stronger than simple shove, but from the other I think he can be not doing it with some nut hands. Still I fold it too.

I am folding this vs mr from this guy and I am definetly folding now.

Are you folding here then ? What is your calling ( well shoving technically) range?

I'm Probably thinking I'm getting AKo JJ+ in. Though given probably large BF with villain is this tight enough?

Anyone folding AKo or JJ?

Hugely depends on the villain imo. VS good reg - i would treat it a a shove generating more Fe (in his mind)

On the other hand, unknown player would never ever think that, and against the unknown 3x utg, playing 11/9 and opening into stacks like that, im kicking myself with 99, snap folding AQ

Actually misread this the first time round, thought it was the guy with 7.7bbs 3x-ing out of that stack - just ignore me!

Don't think we really want to be playing many pots vs this nit's UTG 3x opening range as we are very likey to find a ton of better spots later on with our stack. Probably jamming KK+ and doing something else with QQ and AK.

Do i really have a high bubble factor when i only have 13 big blinds since this isnt like an 18man for example?

AK, TT+ i am for sure shoving here. His 3x preflop generally screams strength but i have noticed players making larger raises when the big blind is short, i presume to make their decisions easier and to isolate which in mind mind makes his range look weaker

I think UTG is a long way from the BB to make his sizing a function of the Big Blinds stack size! Its a very different thing then a 3x from late positions. This is not a steal! he probably doesn't have a r/f range here and if he does its going to be super narrow.

Regarding BF. Yeah you do only have 13bb but you have a fair few stacks at your table smaller then you. Is there 2 tables left what our stack sizes on other table? Do you have it open? Anyway your BF aint one so vs this player raising 3x from utg we have to consider the ICM tax on our flips especially. Your hating say flipping with 1010 jj

I'm folding tens for sure as there is nothing we dominate. Is Villain getting in A10 99 from UTG here? Probably not. I'm sigh getting in JJ which may be bad as I don't think Villain gets in aj here that much either?

or just randomly clicking buttons and raising 3x after reading harrington on holdem

fold, going in JJ AK

I do think that AQ is a fold here; it's much better to shove the next hand light to take advantage of the same ICM pressure being exerted on you this hand.

Sort of true assuming you can be reasonably sure there aware of the icm pressure their under also there are a few small stakes that have a lower bf s you , then you do vs villain in this hand..

... or maybe playing way too many tables (see tag stats) and just 3x-ing UTG without looking at the table.

If we think he's not folding then we should treat it as a shove. It makes no sense that we level ourselves into giving him more fold equity for 3x than we do for a full shove.

Is this final table anyway? If it's not I jam.

What do you think he's 3X fold range is here? I accept that all regs make mistakes but do we think we make any here 3xing from utg light?. My mistakes are mostly making decisions on my huds stats especially stack sizes on the 1st hand after a move.