I don't have the stats to prove it but my read was that he was potentially ready to fight back. So should we induce this or flat out shove? Bear in mind the stacks; if we double him up then i loose the chip lead, get into the middle of the pack and have the new chip leader on my left

Would we play this differently if it was a traditional 180Man vs. an On-Demand?

PokerStars - 600/1200 Ante 125 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 28,982
BB: 19,122 (VPIP: 21.95, PFR: 14.42, 3Bet Preflop: 8.89, Hands: 125)
UTG: 14,043 (VPIP: 17.68, PFR: 15.88, 3Bet Preflop: 8.93, Hands: 2,690)
MP: 14,177 (VPIP: 27.59, PFR: 13.92, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 88)
CO: 24,975 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
BTN: 6,701 (VPIP: 13.86, PFR: 13.14, 3Bet Preflop: 9.84, Hands: 339)

6 players post ante of 125, Hero posts SB 600, BB posts BB 1,200

Pre Flop: (pot: 2,550) Hero has T A

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 28,857 and is all-in, fold,

i usually ask myself the same questions on the ft and mostly end up shoving. Im inducing in cEV all day long, but on the ft, I dont think its a great idea with this combo. We dont want him to shove his broadways and small pp that we have like 55% against. We also dont want him to flat and play this hand oop, especially if he's good and likes to float/bluff a lot. So yeah, I would shove. We need to think about the line tho. I think we need to start inducing like 88 and AJs AQo here to not be expoited when we r/f **** hands.

I dont think it matters that much what format it is. If its a FT, we should be playing according to $ev more then cEV, pretty much regardless what it is (unless winner takes all or some other weird format).

That's rly much depends on who we play against. There's a players who can be rly easy induced to shove with limp. Usually, I induce with this hand, and inducing range is like 66+, ATo+, A9s, bvb ofc. If you want to build good balanced shove/open-call/open-fold range, u need to have almost the same % of hands in induce range and in open-fold range.

What are you open folding?

I would think that the type of format is extremely important because of the differing prize structure? Perhaps not when comparing a 180man and on On demand if that what you meant? Put it this way in a 45mans i would be flat out shoving for sure because laddering up is so much more important whereas in a 180man or On Demand taking some "risks" to gain a top three finish is much more valuable

Actually found another hand in a similar dynamic...

PokerStars - 500/1000 Ante 100 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 2,320 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 4)
SB: 20,730 (VPIP: 38.60, PFR: 17.59, 3Bet Preflop: 8.16, Hands: 114)
Hero (BB): 10,963
UTG: 11,095 (VPIP: 19.54, PFR: 20.25, 3Bet Preflop: 16.13, Hands: 87)
UTG+1: 9,599 (VPIP: 16.06, PFR: 14.41, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 3,256)
MP: 13,413 (VPIP: 28.38, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 8.00, Hands: 74)
MP+1: 6,183 (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 10.81, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 42)
MP+2: 49,464 (VPIP: 18.03, PFR: 14.58, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 63)
CO: 8,233 (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 15.57, 3Bet Preflop: 6.55, Hands: 1,563)

9 players post ante of 100, SB posts SB 500, Hero posts BB 1,000

Pre Flop: (pot: 2,400) Hero has T T

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 500, [color=red]Hero ???

Shove all day long. look at SB stats.

first hand induce. second hand easiest shove ever

Depends on dynamic at the table, my image and so, but with 16BB deep, I can do that with range like, 63s, Q4o-Q2o, T7o-T6o, 96o, 86o, 65o. That's around 7.5%, and my inducing range is ~9.5%. Not ideal, but still good....I think...

Doesn't look like FT. Would induce. Shoving is obv profitable but with your reads I think r/c is more optimal (assuming you are competent postflop). If you are a potentially bad OOP player then jamming pre might just be the best option.

jam.