After 10 000 games 2.5$ , 4.5$, and some 3$r i have a 13% ROI and would like to improve my games.

I have 2 specified situation happening every games everydays that i am not sure if im right.

1- Early stage i played extremly tight (AJ-AA) and played extremly loose(78s, 22, QK, JQs, to AA) and both have worked well. Im good post flop and so being loose don`t cause me big problem when time to fold. But i don`t know which ones is the more pofitable $$$ ROI. Sometimes i feel loose agressive sometimes just rock and wait the push fold late tourney is my prefered strategy. But i would like to pay the most opimal to get a better ROI.

2- I am a good odd caller 2:1 or better is always good deal for me. But am i to loose? Should i fold more often? Exemple if i raise whit 33 or QTs from late and the BB reraise allin giving me 2:1 for a call I CALL. Another exemple is when im BB i call 90% of 2bb raise when the ante are there. Because it is almost 4:1 odd and even T2s becomes a good deal to call. Is that to loose?

In conclusion, if i do mistakes, its not big ones because i am a winning players after 10 000 games. But, im not sure if i do exactly correct because 13% ROI is not extremly good so i have probably things to works one. And in my second 2- interogationing i saw a lot of good reg player folding 2:1 and even 4:1 etc. Bringing me to questionate my strategy.

not going there

that's what she said!
+1 though

if you're a winning player over that many tournaments you're probably better than most of the ppl here

^ Haha.

Age old debate.

Many players say they lose with suited connectors and small pairs in the first few levels. I've only got a sample of around 800 pairs in those levels with around 350,000 hands total but I am winning with them.

Personally I will continue to do so until it's clear that they aren't making me money.

All-in every hand, that's how real men play poker.


Srsly though, there's no answer for this; both methods are viable. Find what works out best for you. But if you call your bb 90% vs a minraise that's highly likely a big leak; Pot odds are just a part of the equation, you should be much more aware of what opponent is raising into you from what position, how that opponent will play postflop, and your own stacksize.

Yeah,calling a min raise in the BB 90% of the time is a leak.Try 3 betting some of the time and folding more.You are spewing chips by calling IN GENERAL.I am far from an expert but thats my 2 cents worth.

Hi,

It's really difficult to answer questions like that. A lot depends on situations, how other players are playing, and a lot of in-game factors, and even larger factors such as your game set up.

I would recommend posting hands, and asking specific strategy questions. This usually gives the best base - with the examples we can deviate and discuss larger topics at hand to improve your game.

Spend time pulling out hands that you're not 100% certain that you play well during the game. Go through them later with a friend, with others on the forum, etc... this will help a lot in addition to reading strategy guides and the like. gl.

Ok Thanks everyones! The problems in poker forums is that we never know if advices come from a worst player than us. But ty anyway. I will think about your advices.

1. All regs know how to play tight and mostly are playing tight early stage. You can't get extra edge by playing more tight than them, I think. Just in general.
Another general one is - play the opposite like the table do. On loose table play more tight etc. Versus tight reg play more loose. Hand by hand if you want..

> 2. I am a good odd caller 2:1 or better is always good deal for me.

What exactly you mean by good odd caller?
You mean than every time you are getting 2:1 you are able to put opponent on range and figure out that you have right odds to call?

Calling 90% w ante bvb versus reg who is raising as much as he should doesn't sound that bad to me
Just don't do it vs tight guys. Same goes for calling 3bets w 2:1 I guess.

But yeah. You can fold. Even better than 2:1. Even when you have the right odds.

Erm, getting the right odds basically means you can't fold ...

I agree. In cash game. Not necessarily in MTT.

Please give an example where you get the right odds and wouldn't call from a tournament.
If the call is -$EV you're not getting the right odds ...

So if you're getting odds to call, and you fold, you're making a -EV move, thus losing money in the long run, pretty basic not?

Yes, it is basic.

Example:
Lets say there are 40 players left in 180. You have big stack, but there is one player with stack that covers you and he is cheap leader. He doesn't play well.
Otherwise you feel the field is soft and you also have edge over the other players.

You mr in EP...hoping to get shoved by one of the short stacker.
Cheap leader goes all in. You think you are getting just the right odds to call. But you are just slightly ahead. Lets say you think you will gain on average 0.15bb every time you call. Fold is 0bb of course.

I think this is example when you can choose to fold.

But even in more regular cases you can choose to fold.
4bb stack shoves form UTG. You are sitting in BB w 10bb stack and you think call is marginally profitable. You can fold sometimes IMO.

I believe it is generally known that sometimes you can make -ev shove.
Maybe on the other hand you can pick spots to fold marginally profitable call. So to fold +ev spot.

+1 To this, poker is a game of situation and the most crucials hands in poker are very villain dependant so trying to come up with a magical and universal guide to beat the game isnt really gonna work in practice, im not a bi fan of "rule of thumbs" type of strategy i do believe they add certain value making decission easier but moving up in stakes u would need lot more than just generalize and universal rules to play and beat the game consistently

+1 on this

It`s wierd because, i ear that alot!!! but it`s mostly what i do. I play with a magical and universal guide to beat the game and a "rule of thumbs" type of strategy. In general i put my opponments all in the same standard type players and it works. I have 13% ROI after 10 000 mtt sit&go. So i can affirm you that u dont need to read the peopples to get a 13% ROI in the long run. I Think that reading the opponment is overevaluated. I may be able to get a better ROI by reading people and adjust my range but... I grind 15 tables and play ABC poker no read and it work well.

But its wierd how often i ear in forum i can not help u if u dont know the vilain. How is your vilai? Is it loose? Tight? etc... -_- it certainly help... But the biggest part of poker to win is a standart ABC good general form of concept. Reading is a liitle help to win a liitle more.

I think that your game is solid enough against a field wich is prone to make many mistakes long the road, i assume we are talking about MTTsng's of course.. ABC poker is def not so valuable as a few years ago as most players are better than then, but i believe that most of this players have similar leaks wich u exploit well as we see at your winrate. Saying this is good to assume that adjusting how we perceive different players in different situations is key if we want to keep improving (building ranges and figuring out our equity's hand against). This is more the norm than exception nowadays on MTT's as players keep getting better. Sure we can beat MTT sng's wich a solid ABC approach because the structure and the average stacks are mostly predictable, but to keep improving and for the ones wich want to switch too larger fields MTT's is def important too adjust against different type of players.

but maths does not include future game.
if i sit in the BB with 11BB and Q5o in a full ring table, ante 1/10 of BB and UTG shoves for lets say 5 big blinds.
i should get the odds of calling here (not sure though, just an example), but if i loose i loose my fold equity in future spots and a 16bb stack will not gain me much of an advantage either.

so yes, there are some spots were you are just getting about the right odds, but a fold is still the preferable play imo.

sorry for the bad english, i'm quite tired

Playing tight in early levels will show lower variance and a lower attainable ROI

Why ask for advice then?

Don't know if I'm correct but:
-there is 3 main categories that u can put villains on:
a)those who understand NOTHING-NADA-CRAP-etc ( I mark them and on my notes I type COLOSAL-DONKEY... ).
b)those who understand the game at a detailed level...they know the math damn good and make decisions based mostly on them.
c)those who understand the game in a more conceptual way ( they know when not to bother with math i guess...I m not at that level to be able to explain it thoroughly... )

At the lower stakes...Yes,since it is the main stake that most of the villains that belong to the first category play at,u can simply mass multitable and play like u r at the second category ( ABC poker )...and , YES u will have a 13% ROI.To get it higher,just elevate urself to the third category.
At higher stakes thow I don't think that the 'simple' ABC poker can help u in the long run,since it can be exploited by the 3rd category villains....

So is really the question u r asking,'How do u get from the detailed level to the conceptual one in terms of mass multitabling?'Cause I'm sure that when u play 1 table only(either online or live) u r closer to the conceptual level,since after so much experience on the game these things come naturally to people that understand the basics of the game).The dificulty I think is met at the attempt to push ur brain to positively do so while mass multitabling...humans have limits...but we can always try to find technics to stretch them as much as we can..we been doing it for ages now on every aspect of everyday life..****..the first guy that ever mass multitabled on online poker did it..
So is ur question actually : 'How do u get from the detailed level to the conceptual one in terms of mass multitabling?'
cause if it is...I D LOVE TO HEAR SOME ANSWERS ON THAT....

Also have anybody found any threads on $5 90man progr KO turbos??

90% call on BB is superleak. Most fishy play i can imagine. First of all u have to have a big stack and ur oponent have to have a big stack so u can play postflotp. Second, u are OOP so playing postflop makes it even harder. U are hitting flop 30% of time and hitting doesnt mean u have top pair with a kicker it might be 3d pair with no kicker no backdoors. Raw odds doesnt matter at sng if its not for stacks. U might call 90% BvB with a solid stack because ur in position and it gives u high outplay potential.

Great post!

Just play. Have fun. Enjoy the game.

Hello OP,

-A few thoughts from a fellow 180 grinder, i'm just a hobby player so not a lot volume 5K 180ers lifetime (2.50, 3.50+R and 8, mostly 2.50ers)

-Last year i quit online poker for a couple of months, because i lost the pleasure of playing. Played mostly 12 to 18 tables up to 24 in peak time of session. At the end it was just clicking buttons...
-After a few months the hunger was back and i restart again 01/01/2015.
I asked myself a few questions:
I am just a hobby player, why should i play 24 tables?
Offcourse there are arguments like reducing variance due to high volume and higher hourly,etc...
But maybe that are reasons coming from forums like 2+2 and other pokerfora... Not everybody is made to play 24 tables and make good decisions.
When i reviewed my games i always found mistakes, even in my p/f decisions, another fact is that when you are playing 24 tables you miss bubble plays, money jumps, etc...
I messed up a lot of HU's due to massmultitabling. Missing those binks will cut massivly in you're ROI at the end.
Can i boost my ROI by playing less tables?
Seems like yes, follow my progress in my P&GC thread.
ok, i know small sample, etc... But i'm shore it is not a coincidence.

I play nowadays 4 max 5 tables and it's a new world, i see a lot of spots that i never saw before...

So my advice, give it a try and see what it does with you're ROI

GL!

Just my opinion