Hi,

How tight I have to be in this spot? What range are u shoving here against big stacks? Both Big stacks were more on loose side.

I think shoving A3 is a losing play here, we only get called by something that has us dominated or has at least 40-45% equity. Also, I think its more optimal to wait as CO only has 2.5bb left and he's in the BB next hand and will likely call a shove with ATC. Not really sure what my range would be here. I think it would be villain dependent...Also not sure what table dynamic is like.

shove like 8% i guess cuz icm

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easy jam!

always playing for top two spots.

shoving suited gappers. any pp. any ace. any king. 2 broadways. 9To+ , J7s + , Q5s+ ,....

I ship it here. A3s 4handed seems to be very good hand to fold even with shorstack to me.

How is it in anyway an easy jam. 2 shorties + u could always call in position with awesome pot odds.

Readless or versus tight players i would push. But here vs two lose vilains in the blinds with big stacks( and the 10k stack who is going to be the bb next hand), fold is best imo.
If they are lose they will think "55! lets call! i have a lot of chips!"
same thing with A9o or so and i think you should fold because of that.

I'm not really concerned with what ICM says you should do. What matters to YOU? Do you want 3rd? Or do you not care?

cause we have nuts

I think we should base our decisions on "with wich action do i make the most monney on the long term?" rather than "I dont want o finish 3rd place!!" or something like that. But it's just my personal point of view

You have a good point. However, consider the realism in the original hand. What is the value of the money to YOU? ICM would say that Phil Ivey makes the most long term by following ICM rules in a $2 180 in this hand. Why in the world would Phil Ivey care about the money increase in a $2 180? That is just an extreme example. Now think about you.

The more you think about YOU personally, the more you can improve as a player.

Sorry but im not sure to understand what you try to explain(my english must be really bad ). But, personally, when we talk about strategic decision, its considered that we talk about whats the best decision "$EV wise". But maybe im wrong so teach me . Will your ROI increase if your keep having other goals?
I believe that having tought like: "I dont want to be 3rd" or " i absolutely want to be ITM" or "I play only to have fun", make you lose monney. If you dont care, then yeah play to not finish 3rd or whatever your goal is.
Altough i disagree with what you say, maybe i misunderstand sth or maybe im wrong, so teach me!

I don't get it either. I think if we have actual ranges and we plug them into sngwiz there's gonna be 1 optimal play. Making other plays based on reasons like "i don't care about 3th" or "i have enough money on my account already" sounds like bad poker to me. Also if Phil Ivey didn't care about ICM at final tables he prob wouldn't be the player he is today.. Hope you can go into a bit more detail on this subject since it sounds counterintuitive.

What ranges do you give villains? It looks really breakevenish in terms of $eV. I'll take the spot here and put all my chips in the middle. You just want to vomit when next hand the shorty doubles up, then you eat the BB and find yourself 4/4 with 3-4bb and no FE, after folding A3s OTB.

The shove is never going to be BAD unless BB and SB are really wide.

I think shove is fine if you have a little more id consider folding but id probably shove ingame.