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Old 07-04-2012, 01:39 PM   #1
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180-man 2.5$ 67s call/fold?

Hi,

It looked for me like a BE call against his range...What would be your decision here? Opponent was unknown.





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    Old 07-04-2012, 02:01 PM   #2
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    Re: 180-man 2.5$ 67s call/fold?

    I think that is a fold, with the stack you have and without antes.
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    Old 07-04-2012, 02:53 PM   #3
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    Re: 180-man 2.5$ 67s call/fold?

    agreed probably fold, with antes probably call
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    Old 07-04-2012, 03:54 PM   #4
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    Re: 180-man 2.5$ 67s call/fold?

    definitely folding here even against someone i know is shoving very wide.
    no antes and for nearly half ur stack its just not worth it.
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    Old 07-04-2012, 05:08 PM   #5
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    Re: 180-man 2.5$ 67s call/fold?

    Fold, what range do you think most villains are pushing with pre ante for 76s to be a BE call there?
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    Old 07-04-2012, 05:11 PM   #6
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    Re: 180-man 2.5$ 67s call/fold?

    Folding is not good I think.
    You have to call 720 to win 1220> so 1.7 to 1> You need about 37% vs villain range.
    So even if your opponent is pushing any pair and any 2 card higher than 10, (wich is absurdly tight given: 1] villain stack size 2] when fish are short stack early, they tend to make desperate allin.)it’s a call.
    Don’t know if imy logic is wrong or if I made a math error but look like a snap call to me.
    But lets consider it’s a fold here, what would be your calling range here guys?
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    Old 07-04-2012, 05:24 PM   #7
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    Re: 180-man 2.5$ 67s call/fold?

    i would call in this spot if i started the hand with 7,000+ chips and knew the player was likely to be shoving wide
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    Old 07-04-2012, 05:54 PM   #8
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    Re: 180-man 2.5$ 67s call/fold?

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    i would call in this spot if i started the hand with 7,000+ chips and knew the player was likely to be shoving wide
    1/ what do you mean by wide? How often is "wide" in that spot for you?
    2/why would you have a different calling range here depending on your stack at 100/200 level?
    3/what would be your calling range then?
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    Old 07-04-2012, 07:06 PM   #9
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    Re: 180-man 2.5$ 67s call/fold?

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    Fold, what range do you think most villains are pushing with pre ante for 76s to be a BE call there?
    imo could be about ~20%, is it too wide for unknowns?
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    Old 07-04-2012, 08:55 PM   #10
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    Re: 180-man 2.5$ 67s call/fold?

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    imo could be about ~20%, is it too wide for unknowns?
    Our breakeven point its if villain its pushing 18% but the thing with unknowns is that u cant know for sure, hi migh be pushing a lot wider or he might be a fckng nit, u cant posible know with what range of hands he´s constantly pushing with

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    Old 07-05-2012, 01:34 AM   #11
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    Re: 180-man 2.5$ 67s call/fold?

    Only call if you have 3000 or more chips. Calling off your FE with 67 in this spot is just not playing good ball.
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    Old 07-05-2012, 08:44 AM   #12
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    Re: 180-man 2.5$ 67s call/fold?

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    Only call if you have 3000 or more chips. Calling off your FE with 67 in this spot is just not playing good ball.
    Bang, jackpot.
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    Old 07-05-2012, 08:50 AM   #13
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    Re: 180-man 2.5$ 67s call/fold?

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    Folding is not good I think.
    You have to call 720 to win 1220> so 1.7 to 1> You need about 37% vs villain range.
    So even if your opponent is pushing any pair and any 2 card higher than 10, (wich is absurdly tight given: 1] villain stack size 2] when fish are short stack early, they tend to make desperate allin.)it’s a call.
    Don’t know if imy logic is wrong or if I made a math error but look like a snap call to me.
    But lets consider it’s a fold here, what would be your calling range here guys?
    since everybody disagree, i have to admit that my logic is wrong
    Can someone explain me why please?
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    Old 07-05-2012, 10:10 AM   #14
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    Re: 180-man 2.5$ 67s call/fold?

    Ur calculating it chip EV-wise .. but with these stacks another component, Future Fold Equity, is waaay more important. Since u'll still have decent FE with >10bb'ish and a lack of that with like 6bb'ish, you - even though cEV-wise it might be snap - could fold these type of hands in these kind of spots.

    Therefore we argue i'd be nice to have at least 3000 chips as you'll still have 2000 / 10bb'ish left if ur calling and lose the hand.
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    Old 07-05-2012, 10:29 AM   #15
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    Re: 180-man 2.5$ 67s call/fold?

    fold
    you are atmost flipping?

    67s is good shove hand , because you have descent equity vs two higher cards. and you have FE.
    but def not a calling hand, even 5 bb
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