UTG 2+3 are both Regs

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Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 21,634 (VPIP: 17.67, PFR: 13.13, 3Bet Preflop: 7.92, Hands: 285)
BB: 27,169 (VPIP: 18.38, PFR: 13.30, 3Bet Preflop: 6.59, Hands: 237)
Hero (UTG): 37,250
UTG+1: 71,818 (VPIP: 16.07, PFR: 14.11, 3Bet Preflop: 6.83, Hands: 702)
MP: 43,123 (VPIP: 22.00, PFR: 18.25, 3Bet Preflop: 6.94, Hands: 1,253)
CO: 45,897 (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
BTN: 23,109 (VPIP: 20.04, PFR: 18.29, 3Bet Preflop: 10.40, Hands: 541)

7 players post ante of 300, SB posts SB 1,500, BB posts BB 3,000

Pre Flop: (pot: 6,600) Hero has Q K

UTG Hero???


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UTG: 18,634 (VPIP: 17.36, PFR: 12.88, 3Bet Preflop: 7.77, Hands: 290)
UTG+1: 24,769 (VPIP: 18.83, PFR: 13.45, 3Bet Preflop: 6.45, Hands: 242)
Hero (MP): 37,850
CO: 91,018 (VPIP: 16.24, PFR: 14.16, 3Bet Preflop: 6.77, Hands: 707)
BTN: 52,723 (VPIP: 21.99, PFR: 18.27, 3Bet Preflop: 6.92, Hands: 1,258)
SB: 23,397 (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
BB: 21,609 (VPIP: 19.71, PFR: 17.96, 3Bet Preflop: 10.17, Hands: 550)

7 players post ante of 400, SB posts SB 2,000, BB posts BB 4,000

Pre Flop: (pot: 8,800) Hero has J T

fold, fold, Hero???

obviously depends a lot on how much villains are calling but I doubt that jamming those hands is going to be - $EV. think I'd jam both but doing it more confidently with the JTs mostly cause of position. wouldnt fold KQs for sure tho.

I would shove both. but what is your table image. im a nit so get plenty of fe. But kq o is like the very bottom of my range in 1st hand. ill run it if i have time in hrc as regards GTO and factor table type and own image in from there.

plus 0.04 according to HRC. kjo was neutral EV. so in terms of GTO then shove is fine if we are seen as loose or table has been very loose then i think we should let this one go. Didnt run second one as that seams certain shove.

ok i got bored and run 2nd one on hrc to. its plus 0.15 EV with HRC so yeah clear shove. It would be a massive deviation from GTO to let this go.

T9s and J9s was still plus ev shoves ( both +0.06)

first shove/fold , 2nd easy shove

i would be shoving both

I figured i should be shoving a bit tighter than what the calcs would suggest since i have two Regs at the table?

both shoves are unexploitable so ok these regs may correctly play a gto or close to it calling strategy but by deffinition they cant possibly have any range that makes our shoves -EV.

In fact in a spot like this a regs calling range may be tighter then a fish as he has an understanding of icm tax and position. In both cases they have people left to act behind and also they know you are shoving from utg in one example.

In some spots it makes sense to tighten your shoving range into regs but not imo where you are shoving into multiple people. If im shoving from the sb into a rec player it can be plus ev to shove a2c if you think they are folding so wide this is then profitable. Into a reg i would tighten up to nash (icm and dynamics aside for a sec) or close to nash. All the reg can do is call nash he cant by defintion exploit my shoving range the best he can do is call nash.

If i knew it was plus EV to shove 100% from the sb into a prticular recreatioanl player if i was to inport that into an ICM calculator the shoves weaker then nash would show up as minus EV until i reassigned villain into his likely tight calling range my a2c shove would then be shown as +EV.

A good reg's presence may make us tigten up towards a GTO strategy but that doesnt mean we should tigten up in spots where we are already playing a gto strategy.

Hope that makes sense.

Thank you URagnatha for that detailed response

Boring technical note:

GTO would mean that it's part of a shoving range about which, in theory, we can say they can't have any calling range that makes our shoving strategy as a whole -EV. That doesn't apply to individual hands in the shoving strategy.

If their calling strategy is to call TT+, Qx, Kx, Ax then shoving JTs is not +EV. It has an SC number of 18, which means that it can be jammed into 18BBs (adjusted for antes) of effective opponent stacks when face-up and the opponent designs a calling range against that one hand (of course he may do this by accident even if the hand is not face up). On the other hand, the power number is 58, which means that it can be shoved into 58 times the CPR (the dead money) of effective opponent stacks as part of a GTO uncapped range including a load of stronger hands which protect it from some of the things it doesn't want to be called by, assuming villain calls sensibly against that whole range - against such real calling ranges it folds out a lot of Qx, Kx and even Ax so it has enough fold equity and it's value holds up reasonably well if called by a premium.

Your kind of reasoning is often true in low ICM situations with Ax hands, where your Ax hand looks exposed at the bottom of the GTO pushing range, but it's also at the bottom of the GTO calling range, so if he calls wider he adds hands that you have dominated and if he calls tighter he removes hands that dominate you.

The other issue is that under the ICM conditions of a final table, if he calls wider than Nash he harms himself, but he also harms us at the same time. The benefit goes to the other players if he doesn't play sensibly.

I jam both of these anyway.